Administering a false multiple

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can you justify that by rule though?

Yes.

There's no definition of "simultaneous foul." So, we have to use the common definition of "happening at the same time."

If fouls happen at the same time, then they aren't common fouls, and no bonus is shot.

The play described meets the definition of a false multiple foul as per 4-19-12.

Agreed.

It doesn't meet the rules definition of either a simultaneous foul or a multiple foul.

The first isn't defined, and I agree it doesn't meet the definition of the second.

And rule 10: PENALTIES: (Rule 10 Summary) #5 on a false multiple foul states that each foul carries it's own penalty. Shouldn't we be trying to penalize both of these fouls by using those rules?

Yes. Shoot two for the shooting foul. Ball inbounds for the non-shooting foul.

I can't see any rules justification for having a tie and going to the POI.

Nor can I. That's why I didn't advocate going to POI.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The first isn't defined, and I agree it doesn't meet the definition of the second.

I'm not following that a Simultaneous Foul is not defined. 4-19-10. And it definitely is not this OP.

I agree that it is a False Multiple Foul. If each foul carries it's own penalty, then we should penalize them independently as if the other one did not happen. In the OP, I think that would be A1 shoots the FTs for B1's foul (lane cleared) and spot throw in for team A for B2's foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I'm not following that a Simultaneous Foul is not defined. 4-19-10. And it definitely is not this OP.

4-19-10 "A simultaneous foul (personal or technical) by opponents is a situation ..."

Note that this is NOT the same as

"A simultaneous foul is a situation in which opponents ..."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1)There's no definition of "simultaneous foul." So, we have to use the common definition of "happening at the same time."

2) If fouls happen at the same time, then they aren't common fouls, and no bonus is shot.

3)Yes. Shoot two for the shooting foul. Ball inbounds for the non-shooting foul.

1) But there is a definition of a false multiple foul and this play meets that definition imo. It sureasheck doesn't meet the definition of a double foul or simultaneous foul. Why would we penalize it the same as those?

2) Rules reference? That's not what the penalty for a false multiple foul states. that rule states that each foul carries it's own penalty.

3) Aren't you just basically picking the shooting foul as occurring first then and penalizing it that way?

As I said, I can't really see any other way using the definitions and penalties that we have but to decide which foul came first and then administer the appropriate penalties that way.