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[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by grunewar

And I own it too.....recently. Thankfully, it was in a fall, developmental league.

The nice thing about ownership of a rule is that you rarely go out and buy the same model again.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

The nice thing about ownership of a rule is that you rarely go out and buy the same model again.

and after I applied the rule, the V coach said I should not grant the TO and go with the IW, and neither of my P's supported me.

I got a bunch of s$%t for it, but knew, even after granting the TO wrong, I applied the rule right.

[Rich]

I knew something would come up tonight after all this discussion.

So, I'm the R tonight and the lead (2-person). The trail administers a throw in after a timeout on the backcourt endline. A has the right to run the endline.

A1 runs the endline, but the inbounds pass is deflected on the court by B and goes out of bounds in the corner of the court. My partner goes to administer the throw-in in the exact same spot and signals that A can run the endline again.

If you were the lead, what would you do here?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by richmsn

if you were the lead, what would you do here?

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Seriously, though, what shots do you call? You toss the ball (or designate the tosser) and have defined areas of responsibility as the referee, but the R's responsibilities don't include telling the rest of the crew how to work the game.
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Never said it did.

The shots I call are related directly to the referee's responsibilities. ...
Had I not been the R, the situation could have been more difficult to correct.

Well, in this situation, who was or wasn't the 'R' definitely affected the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, in this situation, who was or wasn't the 'R' definitely affected the game.

Problem is that even if he was the R that poster may not have been able to do anything. Some crusty veterans (whose main crust is the one that forms on their rulebooks) simply won't yield and simply don't care who the R is. There's a fine line between "being the R" and having a situation escalate into a full argument on the court between the two officials.

Trust me, about this time last year I was posting about a similar situation.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, in this situation, who was or wasn't the 'R' definitely affected the game.

This is EXACTLY why I am always the R when I have a fill-in.

If I'm in this situation and I've allowed the fill-in to be the R and he refuses to handle it properly like the R is this thread did, there's nothing I can do about it. And it's my *** that'll get chewed the next day.

No, it's not gonna happen to me. If we screw up, it's because I screwed up and I'm responsible. It won't be because I let someone else be the R who wouldn't listen to me when I knew he was wrong.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

This is EXACTLY why I am always the R when I have a fill-in.

If I'm in this situation and I've allowed the fill-in to be the R and he refuses to handle it properly like the R is this thread did, there's nothing I can do about it. And it's my *** that'll get chewed the next day.

No, it's not gonna happen to me. If we screw up, it's because I screwed up and I'm responsible. It won't be because I let someone else be the R who wouldn't listen to me when I knew he was wrong.

Easy enough when you are working with a regular crew and/or a fill-in where you are a well-known quantity who can easily assert your authority. It becomes a lot more difficult in the scenario where one is working a lower class game (many of us have forgotten that experience) where one or more of the officials are either green or think that they're 30 year vets who could stop learning 15 years ago. You can't have an argument on the court between partners and sometimes it's better to swallow your pride and allow an incorrect ruling to stand rather than to show divisiveness with the crew. If your area teaches that the Us give deference to the R in a situation where one of the Us alone makes a ruling, then I guess we have different operating environments.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Easy enough when you are working with a regular crew and/or a fill-in where you are a well-known quantity who can easily assert your authority.

Rich, that's been my whole point from the get-go.

I have never said this works in every situation, everywhere, for everybody.

I said this is what I do when I have a fill-in on my crew and I am assigned as the R by the booking agent.

Do what works for you.