Subs with multiple fouls

[just another ref]

Intent and purpose of the rule. The reason for allowing subs before the last free throw on a personal foul is to have only one pause before the ball may first be back in play, instead of two or three. That doesn't apply here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Intent and purpose of the rule. The reason for allowing subs before the last free throw on a personal foul is to have only one pause before the ball may first be back in play, instead of two or three. That doesn't apply here.

Sure it does; it cuts down on 1 of those potential pauses.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure it does; it cuts down on 1 of those potential pauses.

So make it after all the free throws for the personal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So make it after all the free throws for the personal.

You could, if the rule supported it. Of course, the lack of rule support doesn't mean you can't do it; it just means you can't back it up with a rule.

Personally, I'm likely going with A in practice because I prefer to get an offending player (for the T) out ASAP if his coach is trying to help me out. But the thought process for justifying it is too difficult, so if questioned on it, I'd have to fall back on game management rather than the rule.

[JRutledge]

Why does it matter? If you bring in subs before the play can continue then who cares when you bring them in? All that matters are when the last FT is taken all the appropriate subs are in the game. Before that is irrelevant. I have never really thought much about it until now. Subs can come in to shoot a T so why worry if they come in or not if they are not shooting a T?

I think this entire thread is over-thinking an irrelevant issue. All that matters is players are in the game before the last FT. Whether it is a personal foul, a technical foul or some other kind of foul is really not going to change anything in the outcome of the game.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this entire thread is over-thinking an irrelevant issue.

I'm so glad you offered your opinion on an irrelevant issue. Thanks.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Personally, I'm likely going with A in practice because I prefer to get an offending player (for the T) out ASAP if his coach is trying to help me out.

I think most all officials agree with this and would likely do just that. But as far as the OP goes, the subs were there before any of this happened. So they likely are for one of the other 9 players on the court. If you allow them in you may still have B1 on the floor.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this entire thread is over-thinking an irrelevant issue.

But a great way to learn and I don't have anything better to do today?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I think most all officials agree with this and would likely do just that. But as far as the OP goes, the subs were there before any of this happened. So they likely are for one of the other 9 players on the court. If you allow them in you may still have B1 on the floor.

True, but it's a low risk (as Rut indicates, nothing's really going to go wrong if you let them in) high reward move.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm so glad you offered your opinion on an irrelevant issue. Thanks.

The point is it does not matter what you do. It does not matter in the end when they come in and that is why the issue is irrelevant. Worrying about it is not going to change the result. Actually I doubt most people would even care either way when evaluating you. So why sit up night and worry about it? I guess some people have to worry about something.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So why sit up night and worry about it? I guess some people have to worry about something.

Why are you sitting up all night worrying about other people sitting up all night worrying about something? Is it because some people have to worry about something?

And why am I worrying about you worrying about some people worrying about something?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The point is it does not matter what you do. It does not matter in the end when they come in and that is why the issue is irrelevant. Worrying about it is not going to change the result. Actually I doubt most people would even care either way when evaluating you. So why sit up night and worry about it? I guess some people have to worry about something.

Peace

I think it's an interesting exercise in rule study; but I didn't lose any sleep over it.