UCLA vs. KU game

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by DLH17

from the video provided, it does appear the UCLA player displaced the KU player who was reaching for the ball

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

If Sirmons holds his whistle, KU's bench and Bill Self probably briefly "ask" for a call and then move on to overtime.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

If Sirmons holds his whistle, KU's bench and Bill Self probably briefly "ask" for a call and then move onto to overtime.

Or you'd hear him complain about "a foul being a foul," and that officials can't "swallow their whistles."

"Let the players decide the game" vs. "swallow the whistle"...either way you're going hear a mouthful from the coach on the short end of the stick, so you might as well just call what you see and not worry about what's on the clock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

Does that mean you agree that had the play happened with 7 minutes to go, you'd agree it was a foul?

Sure, we miss calls (including calling "fouls" that aren't). But, anytime someone uses the "at that point in the game" argument, I tend to tune out.

If you want to discuss whether the contact rises to the level of a foul, then that's different (and, again, I didn't see the play, not am I likely to be able to).

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Does that mean you agree that had the play happened with 7 minutes to go, you'd agree it was a foul?

Sure, we miss calls (including calling "fouls" that aren't). But, anytime someone uses the "at that point in the game" argument, I tend to tune out.

If you want to discuss whether the contact rises to the level of a foul, then that's different (and, again, I didn't see the play, not am I likely to be able to).

I think it was a 50/50 ball accompanied with a 50/50 call, and when you add to the fact that there is .7 seconds left in a tied game, then yes, I think the timing of the game is relevant.

Can you imagine this exact play deciding a National Championship?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

If Sirmons holds his whistle, KU's bench and Bill Self probably briefly "ask" for a call and then move on to overtime.

The only POE in Men's basketball is "Call the game by the rules no matter the score or the situation." That is what they have asked the officials to do this year. So if this official does not call a foul that he thinks is a foul, then he will not be seen in the best light. And yes a play like this can and will affect his standing in the NCAA Tournament if he is eligible. So who cares what a coach thinks if in your judgment a foul should have been called. It either is a foul or it is not a foul. Who cares what time of the game it takes place?

Peace

[Larks]

Lets see....

Two 2009/2010 Final Four guys, a 2008/2009 National Championship official and about 3000 combined D1 games on that crew.

They kinda know what they are doing.

Having said that, for me, I wouldn't have been surprised if he would have passed but I am not shocked there was a whistle either.

Bottom line - Anyone can ref on youtube with a pause button

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by Larks

Lets see....

Two 2009/2010 Final Four guys, a 2008/2009 National Championship official and about 3000 combined D1 games on that crew.

They kinda know what they are doing.

Having said that, for me, I wouldn't have been surprised if he would have passed but I am not shocked there was a whistle either.

Bottom line - Anyone can ref on youtube with a pause button

You're right, all 3 are top-notch officials and I thoroughly enjoy watching them work. But are they above getting their calls analyzed? Should I not use their real-life instances to improve my officiating?

In my opinion, if I was in Sirmons' shoes, I would hope that I would have held my whistle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Seddy

You're right, all 3 are top-notch officials and I thoroughly enjoy watching them work. But are they above getting their calls analyzed? Should I not use their real-life instances to improve my officiating?
In my opinion, if I was in Sirmons' shoes, I would hope that I would have held my whistle.

Problem being your initial posts in this thread contain no analysis. A sarcastic reference to a "gutsy" call is not analysis. Describing a foul as "ticky-tack" with no further description is not analysis.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a foul, just the timing and severity of it.

And if the foul hadda gone for UCLA, you would have told everybody what a great call it was.


In the words of that noted humanitarian and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Mother Teresa.."Piss off,fanboy."

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And if the foul hadda gone for UCLA, you would have told everybody what a great call it was.


In the words of that noted humanitarian and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Mother Teresa.."Piss off,fanboy."

Take the team names out of the equation. I sit in Quincy, IL. You think I'm a UCLA fan?!?!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Take the team names out of the equation. I sit in Quincy, IL. You think I'm a UCLA fan?!?!

I was there twice this past week.

And here is part of the proof. Quincy High School

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I was there twice this past week.

Peace

Then he should be using you as a teaching tool.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Then he should be using you as a teaching tool.

I will put it this way. That is a different part of the state.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I was there twice this past week.

And here is part of the proof. Quincy High School

Gee, Jeff, why is everybody (including the coach) pointing at you?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, Jeff, why is everybody (including the coach) pointing at you?

Dandruff?