Back Court Question

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

I think I am more confused, looks like half are saying that since the ball hit back in frontcourt it now has frontcourt status and in my play it would not be a violation, the other half say it is a violation. Does anyone have definite knowledge on this type of play? We had it in a scrimmage.
The bottom line is can a ball in any manner in a teams frontcourt, be last touched by the offense, go to the backcourt, and without being touched by a player, return to the frontcourt and be first touched by the offense? This would include a spun ball, or a ball that hits an official.

Only one says it's not a violation, and that one is wrong. It's a violation. The location of the ball when it's touched isn't really relevant.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Only one says it's not a violation, and that one is wrong. It's a violation. The location of the ball when it's touched isn't really relevant.

I didn't say it was a violation. I only asked a question for clarification. Clarification was given.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

I didn't say it was a violation. I only asked a question for clarification. Clarification was given.

LOL, fair enough.

[PIAA REF]

Ok, I think I am slowly understanding, but how do you think is the best way to explain the rational for this play. I have many officials that do not think this is a violation. How should I explain to them that it is?

[Adam]

Send them here.

[PIAA REF]

I like it Snaqwells.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

Ok, I think I am slowly understanding, but how do you think is the best way to explain the rational for this play. I have many officials that do not think this is a violation. How should I explain to them that it is?

The offensive team can't "use" the backcourt unless the defensive team is involved by touching the ball.

I sometimes like think of the backcourt as if it were like a delayed OOB call that depends on who touches it next. If team A causes the ball be have BC status after having team control in the frontcourt, the ball is effectively dead to them unless/until the other team touches the ball. The other team has to break the chain of events to free team A from a violation. (I'm using cause here in a sense similar to causing the ball to be OOB....being the last to touch the ball before it goes OOB, but not like touching the ball while OOB).

[BillyMac]

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control; the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball in frontcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control; the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball in frontcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Not quite...

the team in control must be the last to thouch the ball before it goes to tte backcourt.

This is NOT the same as being the last to touch the ball in the frontcourt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control; the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball in frontcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The team in control must be the last to thouch the ball before it goes to the backcourt.

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control; the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball in frontcourt before it goes to the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Better ???