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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If the following sentence appeared somewhere in the books it would be helpful: Any thrown ball which strikes the ring or backboard of the throwing team without being first touched by a teammate shall be treated as a try, regardless of apparent intent.

Maybe Santa will bring us this for Christmas. If not, the guys over at "60 Seconds On Officiating" should get coal in their stockings. High sulfur, Chinese coal.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That particular language is a relatively recent addition to the case. I can't remember if something else changed when they added it.

Just went through the old books. It was changed in the 2003-04 case book and noted then as being new with a *. It didn't show up as a rule change though, so it must have been a clarification. They added "in an attempt to score(try)" and "released on the try". Before that, 4.15.4(c) almost mirrored what is now case book play 9.5. In 2003-04, case book play 9.5 only referred to throwing the ball against the opponent's back board or an official. No reference at all to your own board.

I also remember a very, very old case play dating back to the early 70's iirc that said that this play was a judgment call. That case play disappeared after 2/3 years also iirc because no one would ever judge that it wasn't always a try.

To the best of my knowledge what is now outlined in 9.5 is the way the play is universally adjudicated. If it's thrown at your own board and hits it, it's a try. End of endless arguments. Period.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

To the best of my knowledge what is now outlined in 9.5 is the way the play is universally adjudicated. If it's thrown at your own board and hits it, it's a try.

In practice, judgment call? Agree.
In practice, universally adjudicated as a try? Totally agree.

I'm taking a one question rules exam, based on written rules, and I've bet my house that I will get this one question correct. Before I take said exam, I need to know few things. Here's what we've got:

9.5 SITUATION: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the ball against: (a) his/her own backboard; (b) the opponent’s backboard; or (c) an official and catches the ball after each. RULING: Legal in (a); a team’s own backboard is considered part of that team’s “equipment” and may be used. In (b) and (c), A1 has violated; throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it strikes the official or the board. (4-4-5; 4-15-1, 2; Fundamental 19)

We know that the player can stop his dribble, throw it off his own backboard, and legally catch it. Does he legally "have the same privileges as the other nine players on the court to shoot the ball or begin a dribble"?

Here's my one question exam (you've seen this question before):

A1, who has ended his dribble, throws an alley oop pass to A2. A2 gets blocked out at the last second and doesn't come anywhere near catching, or even touching, the alley oop pass. The pass from A1 hits the top right corner of A1's backboard and rebounds immediately back to A1, who catches the rebounded ball and dribbles out of the lane. (please note that it says pass on three separate occasions. It's a pass, not a try.)

Because I've bet my house on this, I've brought a cheat sheet (you've seen this before):
NFHS 9-5: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.

Ruling to one question exam, please? Written rule citation, please?

Jurassic Referee: Thanks for going through your old books. Even though we somewhat disagree, I appreciate your efforts to solve this odd situation that the guys over at 60 Seconds On Officiating have thrust upon us, and many others all over the internet.