Backcourt violation?

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No. The 3-points applies DURING a dribble, not to start a dribble. The tap gives the ball FC status.

The violation does not happen on the touch, it happens when the ball then touches the backcourt. If the ball was tapped then it was during a dribble.

I don't have a rule book handy, but isn't dribbling pushing or tapping the ball to the floor.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

The violation does not happen on the touch, it happens when the ball then touches the backcourt.

Sam, the backcourt violation NEVER occurs when the ball touches the backcourt; this is because the violation is not for causing the ball to go into the backcourt.

The violation is for being the first to touch the ball after it has been in the backcourt. If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

No backcourt violation but you could still have a 10-second violation.

You know that; others might not.

[mj]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No backcourt violation but you could still have a 10-second violation.

You know that; others might not.

Yes that is true but I have never seen anyone start the count when the ball goes into the backcourt. Most start it when a player gains control.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mj

Yes that is true but I have never seen anyone start the count when the ball goes into the backcourt. Most start it when a player gains control.

Then you have seen it handled incorrectly. The count starts when there is team control and the ball is in the backcourt.

Rule 9-8: "A player shall not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of a ball
which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mj

Yes that is true but I have never seen anyone start the count when the ball goes into the backcourt. Most start it when a player gains control.

Then most don't know the rule.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Then most don't know the rule.

That ignominious majority included a state rules interpreter who has since been persuaded otherwise.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by justacoach

That ignominious majority included a state rules interpreter who has since been persuaded otherwise.

Well, on the bright side, even though they're completely wrong nobody is ever gonna tell 'em that they'll never advance beyond being a "rule book ref".

"Spirit of the Rules"

I remember your crusade. Glad you were able to talk some sense into him. That benefits everybody in your state imho.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Sam, the backcourt violation NEVER occurs when the ball touches the backcourt; this is because the violation is not for causing the ball to go into the backcourt.

The violation is for being the first to touch the ball after it has been in the backcourt. If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

Of course you are correct Scrapper1. I got caught up in my own details. My real question is whether or not you use the 3 points logic. After giving it another trip through the SamIAm logic machine, I agree with and understand Camron Rust's post concerning the ball attaining FC status.