Backcourt violation?

[Seddy]

Team A is bringing up the ball in their backcourt. A1 makes a pass to A2. A2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Is this a backcourt violation?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Team A is bringing up the ball in their backcourt. A1 makes a pass to A2. A2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Is this a backcourt violation?

Yes.

Team control.
Front court status when caught.
Last to touch before going into backcourt.
First to touch after going into backcourt.

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Team A is bringing up the ball in their backcourt. A1 makes a pass to A2. A2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Is this a backcourt violation?

Why wouldn't it be?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why wouldn't it be?

I'm sure some would mistakenly argue that (a) the "three-points" exception applies and / or (b) the "player in the air" exception applies.

[mj]

You are where you were until you get where your going...

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mj

You are where you were until till you get where you're going...

Fixed it for you (more consistent anapest).

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Team A is bringing up the ball in their backcourt. A1 makes a pass to A2. A2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Is this a backcourt violation?

Using the situation above, if a2 taps the ball and it bounces then you would use the 3 points logic. Is that correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Using the situation above, if a2 taps the ball and it bounces then you would use the 3 points logic. Is that correct?

No. The 3-points applies DURING a dribble, not to start a dribble. The tap gives the ball FC status.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No. The 3-points applies DURING a dribble, not to start a dribble. The tap gives the ball FC status.

The violation does not happen on the touch, it happens when the ball then touches the backcourt. If the ball was tapped then it was during a dribble.

I don't have a rule book handy, but isn't dribbling pushing or tapping the ball to the floor.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

The violation does not happen on the touch, it happens when the ball then touches the backcourt.

Sam, the backcourt violation NEVER occurs when the ball touches the backcourt; this is because the violation is not for causing the ball to go into the backcourt.

The violation is for being the first to touch the ball after it has been in the backcourt. If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

No backcourt violation but you could still have a 10-second violation.

You know that; others might not.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Sam, the backcourt violation NEVER occurs when the ball touches the backcourt; this is because the violation is not for causing the ball to go into the backcourt.

The violation is for being the first to touch the ball after it has been in the backcourt. If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

Of course you are correct Scrapper1. I got caught up in my own details. My real question is whether or not you use the 3 points logic. After giving it another trip through the SamIAm logic machine, I agree with and understand Camron Rust's post concerning the ball attaining FC status.

[johnyd]

THe ball is in the back court, and then passed to a player A2 who is in the air jumping from front to back court. But he cathes the ball in the backcourt so that the ball never crosses half court.
Would 2 feet and the ball apply in this case?

[APG]

Originally Posted by johnyd

THe ball is in the back court, and then passed to a player A2 who is in the air jumping from front to back court. But he cathes the ball in the backcourt so that the ball never crosses half court.
Would 2 feet and the ball apply in this case?

The three points principle only applies to a dribbler so no go.

If in your play you meant a player jumped from his frontcourt, landed in the backcourt, then caught the ball, then that's nothing.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by johnyd

THe ball is in the back court, and then passed to a player A2 who is in the air jumping from front to back court. But he cathes the ball in the backcourt so that the ball never crosses half court.
Would 2 feet and the ball apply in this case?

Don't overcomplicate this call. The position of the ball is determined, ruleswise. by where it last touched a player or the floor. Regardless of the ball's location during flight, in this case the ball retains backcourt status. Since the player jumped from FC, he has FC status. When he caught the ball he imparted FC status and team control to the ball and became the last to touch the ball when it had FC status. When he landed in BC, the ball attained BC status and he was first to touch.
Net result:BACKCOURT violation. The rules are not concerned with the physical location of a ball in flight.

This little ditty applies to the ball and players as well:
"You are where you were til you get where you're going", sung to the tune of Inna-gadda-da-vida
HTH