Backcourt violation??

[glind]

Okay, I had a situation tonight that is close that Play number 4 in the quiz from BktBallRef the only thing different is that the girl did not catch the ball but started her dribble right from the pass.

Situation: Throw-in pass girl bumps the pass down ward to start her dribble with one foot clearly in the frontcourt and the other in stride in air( she is kinda running at an angle to the line) and when her other foot came down it was in the backcourt. I called backcourt violation.

Sitting in the stands right behind me is a gentleman that I have reffed quite a few games with and he comments that I made the wrong call.

After the game I grabbed my case book and went to case 9.9A and showed him he said that the dribble is not the same as a catch. I don't know?? My partner also thought that I made the wrong call.

Please help me out!!!

[Peter Devana]

I kind of think you were right if she had control in the front court on the initial dribble then caused it to go backcourt by touching her other foot down in the backcourt.

[JugglingReferee]

Sounds like you made the right call.

[BktBallRef]

I'm not sure that you made the right call. Technically, you may be right, but I believe I would have passed on it. Seems like we may be splitting hairs with regards to where her foot was when the dribble was started versus when she really gained control versus where the foot that was in the air last touched, FC or BC. The case book play is different in that she started a dribble immediately as opposed to catching the ball. 9.9A is clearly a BC violation, while I'm not sure yours is.

Good question though!

[JugglingReferee]

Here's what I'm thinking:

In the original post, it was stated that the girl started her dribble right from the pass, with a foot in the FC. Starting a dribble implies player control. And player control in the FC because the foot is in the FC. A dribble is "intentionally batting the ball towards the floor". Or something like that anyways.

Now, you could argue if there was player control or not, in which case you could then say that the dribbles was not started, and that there was no intentional bat towards the floor, but rather a deflection of some sort. However, it also says in the original post, that the girl "bumps" the ball. Just a judgement call I guess.

..Mike

Edit: I'm wrong. No o/b call.

Edit again: This is over and back.

[Edited by JugglingReferee on Jan 10th, 2001 at 05:20 AM]

[williebfree]

We all make call based on how our minds, process/interpret what we witness.

From details you posted, this is a quick-hitting play that you instinctively (and correctly, IMHO) blew the whistle. The Pivot foot was established in the FC. The non-pivot foot crossed into the BC.

If I am a fan, I can also accept a non-call. Thinking that the Official determined she had not established control of the ball in the FC.

[mick]

Originally posted by glind
Okay, I had a situation tonight that is close that Play number 4 in the quiz from BktBallRef the only thing different is that the girl did not catch the ball but started her dribble right from the pass.

Situation: Throw-in pass girl bumps the pass down ward to start her dribble with one foot clearly in the frontcourt and the other in stride in air( she is kinda running at an angle to the line) and when her other foot came down it was in the backcourt. I called backcourt violation.

Sitting in the stands right behind me is a gentleman that I have reffed quite a few games with and he comments that I made the wrong call.

After the game I grabbed my case book and went to case 9.9A and showed him he said that the dribble is not the same as a catch. I don't know?? My partner also thought that I made the wrong call.

Please help me out!!!

glind,
I've got a no-call here because I have her dribbling.
mick