end of UConn-Baylor: shot-clock violation?

[AHSAA_Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

They are pretty consistent. The only difference between the two is during a throw-in.

Then if Team A is not in control of the basketball, how can they be called for a shot clock violation after the ball is released if Team B gets the rebound?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

Then if Team A is not in control of the basketball, how can they be called for a shot clock violation after the ball is released if Team B gets the rebound?

Because in some instances the violation occurs before Team B secures the rebound. Might make a 1/2 a second to full second difference on the game clock.

[AHSAA_Ref]

But if the horn goes off and the shot hits the rim, it's not a violation. The violation occurred mid-shot, why not stop the play for a violation? See what I mean. There's no consistency in that rule.

[AHSAA_Ref]

I digress. I'm not going to change the rule...so...who cares?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

But if the horn goes off and the shot hits the rim, it's not a violation. The violation occurred mid-shot, why not stop the play for a violation? See what I mean. There's no consistency in that rule.

I reject your notion of consistency, and substitute my own.

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

But if the horn goes off and the shot hits the rim, it's not a violation. The violation occurred mid-shot, why not stop the play for a violation? See what I mean. There's no consistency in that rule.

the shotclock horn is merely a timing device. as referenced previously by BITS, the violation (and hopefully a subsequent whistle) occurs when "try does not subsequently strike the ring or flange or enter the basket", not when horn sounds.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

But if the horn goes off and the shot hits the rim, it's not a violation. The violation occurred mid-shot, why not stop the play for a violation? See what I mean. There's no consistency in that rule.

Think about a shot in the air when the horn goes off to end a half/game - when does that period actually end? Does the horn end the shot?

The violation doesn't occur until we know that the shot hasn't hit the rim, not simply when the horn goes off. It is very similar in theory to the horn ending a period/game - the game ends when the shot ends. In both situations, the shot must leave the shooter's hand before the horn goes off as well.

[AHSAA_Ref]

Again. It makes sense. Just doesn't seem very consistent to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

Again. It makes sense. Just doesn't seem very consistent to me.

I'm not sure what's not consistent. The violation is for failing to release a shot that hits the rim within the required time frame. Team control has nothing to do with it.

[AHSAA_Ref]

I am not 100% on this one, but I can't think of any violations you can commit without team control. If you no longer have control of the basketball, how can you be charged with a violation if when the violation supposedly occurs, the other team has control?

I can COMPLETELY agree if Team A gets the board or even if Team A touches it or if the ball hits the floor beforehand.

But I think it's wrong to call it when Team B gets the ball before it hits the ground.

That's all. I'm done with arguing my thoughts. I'm wrong. I understand.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because in some instances the violation occurs before Team B secures the rebound. Might make a 1/2 a second to full second difference on the game clock.

The end of team control does not restart the shot clock, otherwise there could be no requirement for the shot to hit the rim. Your issue is not with the team control rule, but the shot clock rule itself.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The end of team control does not restart the shot clock, otherwise there could be no requirement for the shot to hit the rim. Your issue is not with the team control rule, but the shot clock rule itself.

It's not my issue...you have me confused with some else.