end of UConn-Baylor: shot-clock violation?

[AHSAA_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You're wrong. If the horn sounds during the try, then it's a violation as soon as the try ends (in this example, likely to be when it's evident that the try will not be successful). Even if B gets the "rebound" it's a vioaltion (the vioaltion happens before that).

I apologize for being disagreeing in my first post ever, but please explain.

If the horn sounds while the ball is in the air and the defensive team grabs the rebound, why is it a shot clock violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

I apologize for being disagreeing in my first post ever, but please explain.

If the horn sounds while the ball is in the air and the defensive team grabs the rebound, why is it a shot clock violation?

Because the violation happens before the change in team control (which resets the clock).

See AR 225 (2)

[AHSAA_Ref]

I see. I guess it makes sense that way.

[pizanno]

total agreement with the rule interpretations, though i see it happen so often where the violation is not called if the defense rebounds the airball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by pizanno

total agreement with the rule interpretations, though i see it happen so often where the violation is not called if the defense rebounds the airball.

If it's close, then (generally) go with "B got the rebound first"

But, if it's clear, ...

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by pizanno

total agreement with the rule interpretations, though i see it happen so often where the violation is not called if the defense rebounds the airball.

Sometimes it's difficult to tell whether the horn came before the rebounder secured control of the ball, in which case I'll err on the side of letting play continue. But I've also had crew chiefs who pre-gamed that if the non-shooting team gets the rebound after the horn we're not going to whistle the violation.

[AHSAA_Ref]

The only problem I have with that, and in the NCAA it could be different, but nobody is in control of the ball when the ball leaves the shooters hands. It is no longer controlled by Team A and when Team B grabs the ball, there should be no violation.

I see the rule. I understand. And I know NCAA and NF rules are totally different. But it seems like this should be consistent.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

The only problem I have with that, and in the NCAA it could be different, but nobody is in control of the ball when the ball leaves the shooters hands. It is no longer controlled by Team A and when Team B grabs the ball, there should be no violation.

I see the rule. I understand. And I know NCAA and NF rules are totally different. But it seems like this should be consistent.

It's a little difficult to be consistent on this rule when the NF doesn't have a shot clock.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

I apologize for being disagreeing in my first post ever, but please explain.

If the horn sounds while the ball is in the air and the defensive team grabs the rebound, why is it a shot clock violation?

You have to ask yourself, "Self, what is the violation for?" The violation is for failing to comply with the rules regarding the shot clock. And those rules make no provision for disregarding the violation if the non-shooting team gets the rebound.

NCAA 9-11.2 "It is a violation when a try for field goal does not leave the shooter’s hand before the expiration of the allotted shot-clock time or a try does not subsequently strike the ring or flange or enter the basket."

A.R. 225. A1 releases the ball on a try for goal. After the ball leaves A1’s hand(s), the shot-clock horn sounds. The ball:
(2) Hits the backboard and rebounds directly to A2 or B1 without hitting the ring or flange;
RULING:
(2) A shot-clock violation by Team A has occurred because the try did not hit the ring or flange. The referee shall sound the whistle, and the ball shall be awarded to Team B at a designated spot nearest to where the violation occurred. (Rule 9-11.2)

[Back In The Saddle]

Ummm...what Bob said. Never argue with Bob.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Never argue with Bob.

It's "Always listen to bob".

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's "Always listen to bob".

Perhaps. But it should be "Never argue with Bob." While not listening to Bob does sometimes get me into trouble, every time I argue with Bob...I lose.

[MikeCapps]

Here in California we have a shot clock for high school.

This topic has been going round on our association "Forum,"

The violation occurs when it is determined that the ball does not hit the rim, but we have some who think that we should re-set the game clock to where it was when the shot clock sounded and the ball subsequenlty did not hit the rim. I disagree with that, but there is no specific interpretation regarding that issue.


Just looking for thoughts on this. We are contacting the state rules interpretor on this.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MikeCapps

Here in California we have a shot clock for high school.

This topic has been going round on our association "Forum,"

The violation occurs when it is determined that the ball does not hit the rim, but we have some who think that we should re-set the game clock to where it was when the shot clock sounded and the ball subsequenlty did not hit the rim. I disagree with that, but there is no specific interpretation regarding that issue.


Just looking for thoughts on this. We are contacting the state rules interpretor on this.

That's the NBA rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MikeCapps

Here in California we have a shot clock for high school.

This topic has been going round on our association "Forum,"

The violation occurs when it is determined that the ball does not hit the rim, but we have some who think that we should re-set the game clock to where it was when the shot clock sounded and the ball subsequenlty did not hit the rim. I disagree with that, but there is no specific interpretation regarding that issue.


Just looking for thoughts on this. We are contacting the state rules interpretor on this.

I'm reasonably certain that there's an NCAA AR on this point (and the answer is "do not re-set the clock.") I don't have time to look it up now.