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I've heard interpreters state that one of the unlisted attributes of goaltending is that the ball is outside the cylinder (along with try or tap, downward flight, above the basket ring level, and possibility of entering the basket). Offensive basket interference or offensive goaltending: Signal # 13: No score. Defensive basket interference or defensive goaltending: Signal # 14: Goal counts.
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That reminds me. Has anyone here had to make an offensive goaltending call? I can see offensive B.I. happening (an intended rebound), but is there any reason to block a shot of your teammate?
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I had the next game in a tournament, so arrived early to catch a little of the ongoing game, standing at the far end line. An alley oop pass from the corner that was well defended came in. However, the pass was long and looked more like a shot--it was clearly above the rim, on its downward arc, and would have at least hit the top side of the rim (whether back iron, far side of the hoop, near side of the hoop, or gone in is anybody's guess). Defender and offensive player, both near the rim, jump (both had height and hops) for the ball. Defender recognizes that his touch will be goal-tending, and he pulls his hands back, leaving the offensive player the liberty to catch the ball un-obstructed and jam it, which he does. I called the play into one of the officiating hotlines and asked if there was ever a time that offensive goaltending should be called, and gave them the scenario. The consensus was, while the rules allowed it, it should not have been or be called. In this one particular scenario the offense clearly got an advantage as the defense could not defend. Maybe the ball would have gone in anyway; maybe it would have bounced off to the far side of the rim for a rebound. What did happen was a fairly easy goal in a close game that disallowed the defense from defending. |
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Yeah - I had one in a 3rd grade rec game last season.
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The only call that can happen on a pass is basket interference....where the ball is alreay over basket (in the cylinder).
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As Camron said, by rule you can't call it goaltending if it you deemed it to be a pass instead of a try. You can't make a wrong call deliberately to avoid a "young war" just because the "offensive bench" doesn't know or understand the rules. |
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Maybe no one made a call but you (and someone on some "hotline") incorrectly made the assertion that it should have been GT....but it can't be GT if it was released as a pass
And this flies in the face of another ruling that says we can't/don't judge pass/try if a ball thrown from behind the 3-point line goes in....it counts as 3. Yet, there remains several other situations where we must do exactly that.
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It was some time ago. There's really nothing to elaborate on. The rule states "goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball...in its downward flight....[etc.]." It does not delineate between offense and defense (as it does for a FT). However, I guess the officiating guru[s] at whatever hotline it was could not envision a scenario where it should be called. Hence, their advice--"don't call it!"
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This is what I'm asking about..."whatever hotline"? Seriously? And there's more than one?
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