Goaltending and Basket Interference on a Throw in

[RdBallRef]

Does NCAA rules allow for the possibility of having either/or goaltending and basket interference on a throw-in? Off the top of my head, I think the its possilbe for basket interference, but I don't think the throw in meets all the qualifications for goaltending. One rule cites it can only occur on a try, while the other doesn't say it specifically.

See how confused I am?

But in my GUT, I think you can have both.......can anybody help me with the specific rules to prove/disprove these violations occuring on a throw-in?

I'd sleep better tonight.........thanks!

[Dennis Flannery]

Yes in NCAA rules you may have BI on a throw in. It is rule 9-16 A.R. 24(page 112). The rule book goes over this play in it.

[Tim Roden]

Yes on BI. 9.11.2c in the case book deals with BI in the NF case book. It is not an attempt for goal so I don't see why we could have goaltending.

[rockyroad]

As stated above, yes on BI...Rule 4 - definition for goaltending in NCAA book specifically states that it must be during a field goal try, so no goaltending on a pass or throw-in...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Tim Roden
Yes on BI. 9.11.2c in the case book deals with BI in the NF case book. It is not an attempt for goal so I don't see why we could have goaltending.

Tim - for years I, too, never understood why there could be a goaltending call on a throwin for exactly the same reasons you state - it is not a try for goal and, if it goes in, it's a violation anyway.

However, I remember Camron Rust posting a response that explained why it was equitible to have this call, because somehow it balanced off something the offense could do, and made the penalty for the offense and defense congruent.

I don't exactly remember his reasoning, but I do remember it seemed to make sense. Perhaps he could repost it.

[rockyroad]

There can't be goaltending on a throw-in...there can be Basket Interference...as said before, to have goaltending, there must be a "field-goal try" (quoting the NCAA book...a throw-in does not qualify as a field-goal try...

[walter]

Basket Interference...Yes. Goaltending...No. No try therefore no goaltending. Basket Interference has a live ball; it doesn't matter how the ball got there (i.e. throw-in, try, etc.).

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

Tim - for years I, too, never understood why there could be a goaltending call on a throwin for exactly the same reasons you state - it is not a try for goal and, if it goes in, it's a violation anyway.

However, I remember Camron Rust posting a response that explained why it was equitible to have this call, because somehow it balanced off something the offense could do, and made the penalty for the offense and defense congruent.

I don't exactly remember his reasoning, but I do remember it seemed to make sense. Perhaps he could repost it.

I can't seem to find my old post that you claim I made (either in the electronic nor the organic storage). But, I will try to re-think my former thoughts...and post them if I can figure it out.

Bakset Interference can occur by either the offense or defense on a throw-in.

Goaltending on a throw-in is not possilbe...must be a try for goaltending.

So, is the question is why BI for both, or even BI for anyone???

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

However, I remember Camron Rust posting a response that explained why it was equitible to have this call, because somehow it balanced off something the offense could do, and made the penalty for the offense and defense congruent.

I don't exactly remember his reasoning, but I do remember it seemed to make sense. Perhaps he could repost it.

Originally posted by Camron RustI can't seem to find my old post that you claim I made (either in the electronic nor the organic storage). But, I will try to re-think my former thoughts...and post them if I can figure it out.

Camron - if I can shake the cobwebs out for a minute, I think your post had to do with what could happen if their was no BI calls. It had something to do with defending alley-oop passes as they passed over the basket - I think.

Maybe it was this: the BI rule is not dependent on the ball being a try or not. It applies on a pass over the basket, so it would apply on a throwin. If the rule only applied on trys, we would have to decide if a pass over the basket (not on throwins, but during play) was a missed try or not. Then the NF would have to pass a new rule similar to the three-point revision they passed this year. It's much easier and cleaner to just extend the BI rule to throwins even though it is counter-intuitive, I guess.