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[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Then next time, Nevada should be assigned to your games.

Well, the father would have been out of the gym. That's for sure.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Then next time, Nevada should be assigned to your games.

For the record, Nevada would have been standing down at the other end of the court with his partners discussing something of great importance while the coach was on the floor attending to his player. Plus we wouldn't be returning until the coach was back at his bench. In short, there would not have been an opportunity for the coach to do his little act with me because I wouldn't have been there.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Well, the father would have been out of the gym. That's for sure.

You got that right.
If daddy comes out onto the court, he earns himself a one-way ticket to the parking lot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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You got that right.
If daddy comes out onto the court, he earns himself a one-way ticket to the parking lot.

Unless, of course, game admin disagrees and allows the parent to stay.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

unless, of course, game admin disagrees and allows the parent to stay.

+1

[BktBallRef]

Sigh. This ridiculous stance agan.

It is so arrogant to think that you are so much bigger than the game that you're not going to allow a parent to check on their injured child. I can guarantee that if somebody ever pulled that stunt in our association, they'd find themselves looking for assignments somewhere else.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sigh. This ridiculous stance agan.

It is so arrogant to think that you are so much bigger than the game that you're not going to allow a parent to check on their injured child. I can guarantee that if somebody ever pulled that stunt in our association, they'd find themselves looking for assignments somewhere else.

I never intend to find out the consequences of such a move in my association. While I won't be standing near the player or coach, as Nevada suggests, I will have other things to discuss and the father's brief presence on the court won't be noticed.

Now, if Dad decides to approach me in anger, that's a different story.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sigh. This ridiculous stance agan.

It is so arrogant to think that you are so much bigger than the game that you're not going to allow a parent to check on their injured child. I can guarantee that if somebody ever pulled that stunt in our association, they'd find themselves looking for assignments somewhere else.

Professional suicide at any level. Don't be that guy.

[grunewar]

I was doing a girls AAU Tourney this past weekend when a point guard was driving hard to the basket, slipt and fell and went down hard on the back of her head. She was down for several minutes with only the coach administering to her.

My P and I stood back and sent the teams to their benches, but kept them on the floor.

As the player finally recovered and got to her feet, the coach began to escort her to the bench. Her dad came around the side of the court and then to the endline to help her off the court and to go to the bathroom and outside for some fresh air.

TWEET. Game back on.

I know we've had this discussion before, but under these circumstances, I don't think I would have done anything if dad/mom came on the court to administer to their injured child.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I was doing a girls AAU Tourney this past weekend when a point guard was driving hard to the basket, slipt and fell and went down hard on the back of her head. She was down for several minutes with only the coach administering to her.

My P and I stood back and sent the teams to their benches, but kept them on the floor.

As the player finally recovered and got to her feet, the coach began to escort her to the bench. Her dad came around the side of the court and then to the endline to help her off the court and to go to the bathroom and outside for some fresh air.

TWEET. Game back on.

I know we've had this discussion before, but under these circumstances, I don't think I would have done anything if dad/mom came on the court to administer to their injured child.

My last weekend of AAU basketball a kid landed on his head and most definitely suffered a concussion. Sent the players to the their benches (to sit down if they so desired) and then advised the coaches that there was absolutely no rush at all to get the player up. We then stood back from the activity until the player was removed from the court. One adult from the stands came on the court to tend to the hurt player. I didn't concern myself one bit with that person.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sigh. This ridiculous stance agan.

It is so arrogant to think that you are so much bigger than the game that you're not going to allow a parent to check on their injured child. I can guarantee that if somebody ever pulled that stunt in our association, they'd find themselves looking for assignments somewhere else.

Obviously you only work in pristine air-conditioned conditions with newly painted walls where everyone is cheerful and just there for the kids. In real life - letting parents come on the court is just asking for an escalation of the situation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Obviously you only work in pristine air-conditioned conditions with newly painted walls where everyone is cheerful and just there for the kids. In real life - letting parents come on the court is just asking for an escalation of the situation.

Let me present a scenario.

A1 lands on a teammate's foot and tumbles into the wall, hitting his head knocking him unconscious. As you turn to beckon the coach, Dad comes running down the bleachers making a bee line for his son. His focus never leaves his child, he never so much as looks at the officials.

Take away the unconscious child, and now let's make it just the ankle or knee sprain from landing on his teammate's foot. Dad comes down to tend to his son, who is screaming in pain. Whatchagonnado?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me present a scenario.

A1 lands on a teammate's foot and tumbles into the wall, hitting his head knocking him unconscious. As you turn to beckon the coach, Dad comes running down the bleachers making a bee line for his son. His focus never leaves his child, he never so much as looks at the officials.

Take away the unconscious child, and now let's make it just the ankle or knee sprain from landing on his teammate's foot. Dad comes down to tend to his son, who is screaming in pain. Whatchagonnado?

I think we can agree that this scenario is a huge departure from what we were talking about.

The original situation included an already incensed parent. Big difference

However, I still maintain that having parents (fans, girlfriends, uncles, whatever) coming out of the stands onto the court is asking for trouble.

Start with - how in the world do YOU know this guy is his dad? Move on to - "Dad's" concern for his son begins to abate as he's being tended to, then he
decides it's YOUR fault for letting the game get out of control (or whatever).

Coaches and players know what is expected of them, behavior-wise, and know there are repercussions for crossing the line. Parents, fans, etc do not. You may get away with this 99 times. Then you may sincerely regret the 100th.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Obviously you only work in pristine air-conditioned conditions with newly painted walls where everyone is cheerful and just there for the kids. In real life - letting parents come on the court is just asking for an escalation of the situation.

Mike, here's the thread that Tony is commenting on. You have to read it to see why he made his reponse.

T Up a Fan?!?

In the context of the discussion, not very many posters disagreed with BktBallRef's take.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Unless, of course, game admin disagrees and allows the parent to stay.

I'm not sure if this was serious... But if we eject someone, and Game Admin refuses to enforce, we're done.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For the record, Nevada would have been standing down at the other end of the court with his partners discussing something of great importance while the coach was on the floor attending to his player. Plus we wouldn't be returning until the coach was back at his bench. In short, there would not have been an opportunity for the coach to do his little act with me because I wouldn't have been there.
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Had the official been standing at the other end of the court I never would have approached him. To me, THAT would have been crossing a line. But since he was right there, and I didn't raise my voice or do any crazy body movements, I thought it was ok.
As for the dad, considering his girl weighs in the in the upper 200's and he picked her up and carried her off, let's just say I LIKE IT when I am on his good side!!! I just made sure I was between him and the other teams bench and prayed that he wouldn't do anything rash as the other coach was also a real big guy. Images of the new "What would you do for a Klondike ice cream sandwich" commercials were in my head!!