Let The Fun Begin..

[Mark Padgett]

I've officiated with a guy over the years who says his "referee motto" is "Occasionally wrong but never indecisive".

I told him mine was "Always right and always decisive".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I've officiated with a guy over the years who says his "referee motto" is "Occasionally wrong but never indecisive".

Similar to what our, now retired, local interpreter used to say:

"The best wrong call is a strong wrong call."

[Judtech]

BILLY that is a great motto! I think it fits this situation.
Yeah, we kicked it but we did it strongly!! Talked to the guys today about it and we had a good laugh about writing our own rule! We still couldn't decide if the dunk or foul happened first, it was really bang-bang. But upon further review, we probably should have gone with the contact, disallowed the basket and shoot the double bonus at the other end. We all had plays similar to this but they all had involved lay ups or jump shots. Goes to show working several games in a row can skew your reasoning!! Live and learn and get it right the next time!
JR glad to see you continue to be in tune with my sense of irony!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

JR glad to see you continue to be in tune with my sense of irony!

Methinks you're confusing your sense of irony with your lack of rules knowledge. I'm in tune with that.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Methinks you're confusing your sense of irony with your lack of rules knowledge. I'm in tune with that.

The irony was saying it would have been helpful knowing what occured first. But since we were all caught flat footed on that one and didn't know what happened first we made it up as we went along. We got it wrong, but we did it in such a SPECTACULAR manner, we got away with it!!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

The irony was saying it would have been helpful knowing what occured first. But since we were all caught flat footed on that one and didn't know what happened first we made it up as we went along. We got it wrong, but we did it in such a SPECTACULAR manner, we got away with it!!!!

And if you knew the rules, you wouldn't have had to make anything up. You could have simply followed them.

You had two correct choices you could have made:
1) If you decide that the foul occurred before the ball was through the basket, by rule you cancel the basket and administer the common foul. Case book play 4.41.2.
2) If you decide the contact occurred after the ball was through the basket, and the contact was neither intentional or flagrant(as you posted), by rule you count the basket and ignore the contact as being "incidental". Rule 4-19-1NOTE,

Soooooo, even if you had to guess whether the contact was before or after the basket, you could still have made a correct call after that by rule if you followed #1 or #2 above. Instead, you ended up making a call that had absolutely no basis at all under the rules. What the rules won't allow you to do is count the basket and administer a common foul. That is kinda "ironic", I guess.

You can only get so far conning people when you're officiating, even if you're "spectacular" in doing so. I wouldn't break an arm patting yourself on the back just because some rec league coach had the same rules knowledge as you. You can get away with making up calls in rec leagues but there's some pretty knowledgable coachs around at the higher levels. And if that call went against them, even if they don't know the rule they'll sureasheck check it out.

Hopefully it's a learning experience.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Methinks you're confusing your sense of irony with your lack of rules knowledge. I'm in tune with that.

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you have any friends in real life.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you have any friends in real life.

I can pretty much guarantee that I don't have any like you. Nor will I ever.

And that's the last time I'll respond to you. You just went on the "ignore" list with a few select others. That should make for a better relationship between us.

[just another ref]

What if, on this play, one official signaled a block and the other signaled a charge, and then they realized that the contact came after the ball went through the basket? Would they still have to report the double foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you have any friends in real life.

You're certainly not the only one.