Let The Fun Begin..

[Judtech]

I told you this was fun. It was a dunk (not the afore mentioned lay up) both teams in double bonus.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I told you this was fun. It was a dunk (not the afore mentioned lay up) both teams in double bonus.

Was the dunk through the hoop before the foul?

-Josh

[Judtech]

Without the aide of slow mo replay, I couldn't say. Maybe I need to get better at judging that but usually when a player goes up for a dunk and gets fouled while dunking I don't judge when it went through the net. Would have been helpful on this play.
If it had been a lay up or short jumper it would be easier to administer. I am sure we kicked it but we live and learn. The first option was calling the play dead no points for V and H shoots the double bonus. However, we didn't think we could disallow the basket b/c none of us could say for sure that the foul occured prior to the basket. We couldn't ignore the foul, because it was a hard play and a hard foul (and a hard dunk) The shooter had not returned to the floor but there was no airborn shooter in play b/c the foul made the play dead. So we counted the bucket, called the foul after the basket and went down the court to shoot the double bonus. Both coaches were rather exercised during this discussion, but before we proceeded we called them together, explained our reasoning and they were both ok with it. (Although the V coach wanted their player shooting the "and 1" but he was joking!) H missed the second bonus shot and the game went in the books.
So despite whether we kicked the rule or not, the story had a happy ending for everyone except the player who dunked the ball at his own basket, then missed a free throw!!

[truerookie]

I would have disallowed the basket, and shot the free-throws due to the foul on the other end.

[APG]

Question. If you counted the basket, couldn't you have ruled an inadvertent whistle? The only way I see a foul being called and counting the basket is if the foul was ruled an intentional or flagrant technical foul. We don't have an airborne shooter here because the dunk wasn't a try as it was at the wrong basket, so we can't use that exception.

The only way I see this could be ruled is count the basket, rule the whistle inadvertent and play on. Or wave off the basket, and shoot the bonus free throws at the other end of the court.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I would have disallowed the basket, and shot the free-throws due to the foul on the other end.

If there were any doubt, I would have counted the basket and ignored the contact. Why reward stupidity?

Best of all, however, is to have no doubt and get it right.

[Mark Padgett]

I've officiated with a guy over the years who says his "referee motto" is "Occasionally wrong but never indecisive".

I told him mine was "Always right and always decisive".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I've officiated with a guy over the years who says his "referee motto" is "Occasionally wrong but never indecisive".

Similar to what our, now retired, local interpreter used to say:

"The best wrong call is a strong wrong call."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

1) Without the aide of slow mo replay, I couldn't say. Maybe I need to get better at judging that but usually when a player goes up for a dunk and gets fouled while dunking I don't judge when it went through the net. Would have been helpful on this play.

2) So we counted the bucket, called the foul after the basket and went down the court to shoot the double bonus.

1) Would have been helpful? It's impossible to make the RIGHT call on this play without that knowledge. And you don't need slo-mo to make that decision either. Any half-way competent official automatically looks to see the status of the ball when he calls any foul. All you were doing was guessing...and you're still guessing.

2) Unfortunately, the rules won't allow you to make that call. If the ball was dead(which it is after a basket), any contact that ISN'T intentional or flagrant has to be ignored, by rule.

You can't make the right call if you don't know the rules...or have a clue as to what's going on.