Violation or no call.....

[CMHCoachNRef]

Boys varsity game. A1 is dribbling the ball up the court while under defensive pressure from B1. A1 gets his feet tangled up and begins to fall. A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor.

Travel? No call? Why?

[Indianaref]

A1 lost control, can not travel without control.

[jdw3018]

Did he regain possession while in the air or on the floor?

If in the air and then went to the floor, travel. If on the ground when he gains possession, no violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Did he regain possession while in the air or on the floor?

If in the air and then went to the floor, travel. If on the ground when he gains possession, no violation.

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[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor.

based on your description above....yep!...travel

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

based on your description above....yep!...travel

Only if you're interpreting it as having him gain possession prior to being on the floor, as stated above. Reading the original post, I can't tell if that was the case or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Only if you're interpreting it as having him gain possession prior to being on the floor, as stated above. Reading the original post, I can't tell if that was the case or not.

I actually read the opposite of what he did, assuming the player gained possession on the floor.

[Jonohah]

Travel. Gained possession.

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Only if you're interpreting it as having him gain possession prior to being on the floor, as stated above. Reading the original post, I can't tell if that was the case or not.

read the OP again....."A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor."...sounds to me like he DID gain possession and THEN slides across the floor....easy one...tweet...travel.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

read the OP again....."A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor."...sounds to me like he DID gain possession and THEN slides across the floor....easy one...tweet...travel.

As worded, I see it as vague. For the record, I agree with you. If he gained possession airborne, it's a travel.

If I can't tell which happened first as I'm watching, it's legal.

[Crabnut]

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

They shouldn't call it either. Sliding on the floor is specifically allowed by rule, as long as the player was already on the floor when they gained possession.

The travel isn't for sliding, it's for touching the floor with any part of the body besides the hand or foot. The exception is for when possession is gained while already down on the floor. At that point, they can slide and roll as far as momentum takes them. After the momentum is over, however, they may not roll or attempt to get up unless they start dribbling first.

[Johnny Ringo]

It is known, under the rules, that a player may dive for a loose ball, gain possesion on the floor and slide or roll until momentum stops without violation.

However, what if a player dives for a loose ball that is bouncing and secures the ball while in the air and then hits the floor and slides or rolls (momentum) ... is this a violation?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

You might wish to consult the NFHS Rules Book and Case Book. You hold a mistaken belief about traveling.

4-44-5 . . . A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.
b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand
or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

4.44.5 SITUATION A: Is it traveling if A1 falls to the floor: (a) while holding the
ball; or (b) after being airborne to catch a pass or control a rebound? RULING:
Yes in both (a) and (b).

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control.
A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without
violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once
A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises
and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

However, what if a player dives for a loose ball that is bouncing and secures the ball while in the air and then hits the floor and slides or rolls (momentum) ... is this a violation?

Isn't that covered in 4.44.5 Situation A, part (b)?