The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 12:58pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 717
Violation or no call.....

Boys varsity game. A1 is dribbling the ball up the court while under defensive pressure from B1. A1 gets his feet tangled up and begins to fall. A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor.

Travel? No call? Why?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 01:01pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,054
A1 lost control, can not travel without control.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 01:01pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,896
Did he regain possession while in the air or on the floor?

If in the air and then went to the floor, travel. If on the ground when he gains possession, no violation.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 01:03pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdw3018 View Post
Did he regain possession while in the air or on the floor?

If in the air and then went to the floor, travel. If on the ground when he gains possession, no violation.
werd
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 06:36pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 547
Quote:
Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef View Post
A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor.
based on your description above....yep!...travel
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 07:06pm
certified Hot Mom tester
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: only in my own mind, such as it is
Posts: 12,918
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffpea View Post
based on your description above....yep!...travel
Only if you're interpreting it as having him gain possession prior to being on the floor, as stated above. Reading the original post, I can't tell if that was the case or not.
__________________
Yom HaShoah
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 08:14pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett View Post
Only if you're interpreting it as having him gain possession prior to being on the floor, as stated above. Reading the original post, I can't tell if that was the case or not.
I actually read the opposite of what he did, assuming the player gained possession on the floor.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 08:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8
Travel. Gained possession.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 10:51pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 547
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett View Post
Only if you're interpreting it as having him gain possession prior to being on the floor, as stated above. Reading the original post, I can't tell if that was the case or not.
read the OP again....."A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor."...sounds to me like he DID gain possession and THEN slides across the floor....easy one...tweet...travel.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 11:01pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffpea View Post
read the OP again....."A1 dives for the ball, gains possession and slides across the floor."...sounds to me like he DID gain possession and THEN slides across the floor....easy one...tweet...travel.
As worded, I see it as vague. For the record, I agree with you. If he gained possession airborne, it's a travel.

If I can't tell which happened first as I'm watching, it's legal.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 03, 2010, 11:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 12
Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 12:01am
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crabnut View Post
Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.
They shouldn't call it either. Sliding on the floor is specifically allowed by rule, as long as the player was already on the floor when they gained possession.

The travel isn't for sliding, it's for touching the floor with any part of the body besides the hand or foot. The exception is for when possession is gained while already down on the floor. At that point, they can slide and roll as far as momentum takes them. After the momentum is over, however, they may not roll or attempt to get up unless they start dribbling first.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 03:16am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 620
It is known, under the rules, that a player may dive for a loose ball, gain possesion on the floor and slide or roll until momentum stops without violation.

However, what if a player dives for a loose ball that is bouncing and secures the ball while in the air and then hits the floor and slides or rolls (momentum) ... is this a violation?
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 04:04am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crabnut View Post
Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.
You might wish to consult the NFHS Rules Book and Case Book. You hold a mistaken belief about traveling.

4-44-5 . . . A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.
b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand
or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

4.44.5 SITUATION A: Is it traveling if A1 falls to the floor: (a) while holding the
ball; or (b) after being airborne to catch a pass or control a rebound? RULING:
Yes in both (a) and (b).

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control.
A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without
violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once
A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises
and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 04:06am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo View Post
However, what if a player dives for a loose ball that is bouncing and secures the ball while in the air and then hits the floor and slides or rolls (momentum) ... is this a violation?
Isn't that covered in 4.44.5 Situation A, part (b)?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Throw-In Violation - When to Call? Raida357 Basketball 14 Fri Nov 09, 2007 08:58am
Violation, Delay of Game, Technical, what is the call? djskinn Basketball 9 Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:33pm
Clever? or a violation ,trying 2 avoid a violation hardwdref Basketball 3 Sat Nov 13, 2004 04:17pm
is this a violation or a good no call timharris Basketball 13 Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:23pm
3 Seconds Call--Lane Violation KingTripleJump Basketball 15 Thu Dec 06, 2001 02:41pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:15am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1