Violation or no call.....

[Crabnut]

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

They shouldn't call it either. Sliding on the floor is specifically allowed by rule, as long as the player was already on the floor when they gained possession.

The travel isn't for sliding, it's for touching the floor with any part of the body besides the hand or foot. The exception is for when possession is gained while already down on the floor. At that point, they can slide and roll as far as momentum takes them. After the momentum is over, however, they may not roll or attempt to get up unless they start dribbling first.

[Johnny Ringo]

It is known, under the rules, that a player may dive for a loose ball, gain possesion on the floor and slide or roll until momentum stops without violation.

However, what if a player dives for a loose ball that is bouncing and secures the ball while in the air and then hits the floor and slides or rolls (momentum) ... is this a violation?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

However, what if a player dives for a loose ball that is bouncing and secures the ball while in the air and then hits the floor and slides or rolls (momentum) ... is this a violation?

Isn't that covered in 4.44.5 Situation A, part (b)?

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Isn't that covered in 4.44.5 Situation A, part (b)?

I thought so, and the way I read it is that it would be legal to do this. However, some of these earlier posts made me think people were saying no.

Am I correct that this would be legal to control a ball while diving or in the air and come to the ground? Or are you calling this a violation?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Am I correct that this would be legal to control a ball while diving or in the air and come to the ground? Or are you calling this a violation?

It is illegal to control the ball in the air then come to the floor.

It is legal to control the ball while on the ground and slide or roll due to momentum.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

It is illegal to control the ball in the air then come to the floor.

It's illegal to hold the ball and then fallto the floor. It's legal to dribble (the other part of "control") the ball during this action. And, yes, I've seen it happen.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

It is illegal to control the ball in the air then come to the floor.

It is legal to control the ball while on the ground and slide or roll due to momentum.

Thanks. That makes complete sense to me now. Sorry, was confused on the different wordings.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

You might wish to consult the NFHS Rules Book and Case Book. You hold a mistaken belief about traveling.

4-44-5 . . . A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.
b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand
or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

4.44.5 SITUATION A: Is it traveling if A1 falls to the floor: (a) while holding the
ball; or (b) after being airborne to catch a pass or control a rebound? RULING:
Yes in both (a) and (b).

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control.
A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without
violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once
A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises
and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

[Crabnut]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You might wish to consult the NFHS Rules Book and Case Book. You hold a mistaken belief about traveling.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if I do, but I am not identifying it based on your comments. Your case book quotes agree with my "belief." What am I missing?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

Sounds like your defining a travel as sliding across the floor with possession? Interesting part of the discussion here has to do with the slipperiness of the floor. Is that the player's fault? Being a relatively new, I have been pursuing this question with our varsity refs, and most won't call it. Standing up, Yes. Rolling over, yes. Sliding, no.

1) Whether the floor is slippery or not is completely irrelevant.
2) And if your varsity refs are calling players for rolling over on the floor while having possession of the ball, then your varsity refs may be wrong also. It's only illegal to roll over if that occurs after the player has stopped sliding. That's what Nevada was pointing out.