Double Foul tonight during Boys' C-Squad

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Here's what I was referring to. Have a patient whistle. If there is a second in between the 2 fouls, either pass on the second, or call it a dead ball T.

Or, in this case, it sounds like it may have happened while the shot was still in the air, so it could still be a common foul.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Here's what I was referring to. Have a patient whistle. If there is a second in between the 2 fouls, either pass on the second, or call it a dead ball T.

Why would you call it a dead ball T if the ball is still live?

[doubleringer]

Only if the ball is dead. Multi-tasking here and not being incredibly clear.

[chseagle]

1 foul against gold, the other foul against red. Both happening approximately at the same time. This being the case as the two fouls are separate makes this a simultaneous foul. As the one foul was caused on a shooter, 2 FTs awarded. The other foul was an off-the-ball foul.

Each team got a foul added to their team totals. It was the red coach that argued that the possession arrow should be for them to start the next quarter (as no jump/held balls happened between the fouls & end of quarter).

The officials even were kinda stumped about the possession arrow, but I mentioned about the FT shots on that foul, & they did a mid-court conference to verify what I told them. The POI in this situation, as I see it, was the foul against the shooter (initially), the off-the-ball foul was an aftereffect of physical play. Neither team was put into the bonus by this.

So far this year, all crews in my area have been 3 man crews for Sub-V games that I have seen myself.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Only if the ball is dead. Multi-tasking here and not being incredibly clear.

The ball was still in the air when the 2nd foul happened.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

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The officials even were kinda stumped about the possession arrow, but I mentioned about the FT shots on that foul, & they did a mid-court conference to verify what I told them. The POI in this situation, as I see it, was the foul against the shooter (initially), the off-the-ball foul was an aftereffect of physical play. Neither team was put into the bonus by this.

So far this year, all crews in my area have been 3 man crews for Sub-V games that I have seen myself.

Sounds like you are saying the off-ball foul was after the shooting foul. Which means it should have been ignored.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Sounds like you are saying the off-ball foul was after the shooting foul. Which means it should have been ignored.

That's what I was thinking, I believe the game was being recorded by one of the parents of a player, but unsure who. If I could see it again for clarification, that would help.

Another question, however, since the ball was still in the air when the off-the-ball foul happened, why ignore it?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by chseagle

From replaying what happened, the person was in the process of shooting when they got fouled. The other foul was a push off in order to try to gain advantage off the rebound. They happened about a second between the 2 fouls.

As I saw the play, it seemed kosher the way it was called, as they did not actually happen simutaneously.

Am wondering other's opinions, as the visiting coach was thinking the AP should of been used as the POI.

Originally Posted by chseagle

This being the case as the two fouls are separate makes this a simultaneous foul

Number 1 you are contradicting yourself......IMHO you don't have a simultaneous foul you have a false double. Penalize each foul in order of occurance (ie shoot the free throws, then since you aren't in the bonus for b give them the ball at the spot of the foul and move along)

If you insist that it is simultaneous then they should not have shot any free throws and gone to POI, which since the ball didn't go in would have led to the AP

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

It's "should have" or "should've."

Why is mbyron allowed to have two registered usernames?

[Adam]

You can, too, Billy. But we'd all know it was you the first time "TransylvTranny" copied and pasted a paragraph from your myths.