Double Foul tonight during Boys' C-Squad

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by chseagle

From replaying what happened, the person was in the process of shooting when they got fouled. The other foul was a push off in order to try to gain advantage off the rebound. They happened about a second between the 2 fouls.

POI.

Here's what I was referring to. Have a patient whistle. If there is a second in between the 2 fouls, either pass on the second, or call it a dead ball T.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Here's what I was referring to. Have a patient whistle. If there is a second in between the 2 fouls, either pass on the second, or call it a dead ball T.

Nothing wrong with a patient whistle but there is nothing wrong with a false double foul either. Two separate events, two separate whistles. Unless it fits as "incidental contact", no need to ignore it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Here's what I was referring to. Have a patient whistle. If there is a second in between the 2 fouls, either pass on the second, or call it a dead ball T.

Or, in this case, it sounds like it may have happened while the shot was still in the air, so it could still be a common foul.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Here's what I was referring to. Have a patient whistle. If there is a second in between the 2 fouls, either pass on the second, or call it a dead ball T.

Why would you call it a dead ball T if the ball is still live?

[doubleringer]

Only if the ball is dead. Multi-tasking here and not being incredibly clear.

[chseagle]

1 foul against gold, the other foul against red. Both happening approximately at the same time. This being the case as the two fouls are separate makes this a simultaneous foul. As the one foul was caused on a shooter, 2 FTs awarded. The other foul was an off-the-ball foul.

Each team got a foul added to their team totals. It was the red coach that argued that the possession arrow should be for them to start the next quarter (as no jump/held balls happened between the fouls & end of quarter).

The officials even were kinda stumped about the possession arrow, but I mentioned about the FT shots on that foul, & they did a mid-court conference to verify what I told them. The POI in this situation, as I see it, was the foul against the shooter (initially), the off-the-ball foul was an aftereffect of physical play. Neither team was put into the bonus by this.

So far this year, all crews in my area have been 3 man crews for Sub-V games that I have seen myself.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

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The officials even were kinda stumped about the possession arrow, but I mentioned about the FT shots on that foul, & they did a mid-court conference to verify what I told them. The POI in this situation, as I see it, was the foul against the shooter (initially), the off-the-ball foul was an aftereffect of physical play. Neither team was put into the bonus by this.

So far this year, all crews in my area have been 3 man crews for Sub-V games that I have seen myself.

Sounds like you are saying the off-ball foul was after the shooting foul. Which means it should have been ignored.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Sounds like you are saying the off-ball foul was after the shooting foul. Which means it should have been ignored.

That's what I was thinking, I believe the game was being recorded by one of the parents of a player, but unsure who. If I could see it again for clarification, that would help.

Another question, however, since the ball was still in the air when the off-the-ball foul happened, why ignore it?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Only if the ball is dead. Multi-tasking here and not being incredibly clear.

The ball was still in the air when the 2nd foul happened.