Blarge ...Then it Wasn't

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Just creating a discussion here...

...so if A1 has released his try for goal, and then crashes into B1...and then both officials have a blarge...are you still treating it exactly like a double foul on 2 post players, while A2 dribbles the ball at the top of the key?

All simoltaneous fouls GO TO POI...nothing complicated about that.

In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM POSSESSION.

I think you are confusing POI with posession arrow. the possession arrow can be the POI. POI means point of interruption. When you have a simultaneous foul you go to the POI and the possession arrow can help you decide who gets possession.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM POSSESSION control.

1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

It's not a successful try if (NFHS) one official has a PC foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's not a successful try if (NFHS) one official has a PC foul.

If it's a double foul, one cannot be a PC by definition. Basket counts if it's released prior to the contact. Case play is clear.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

you might want to double check your #2.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

you might want to double check your #2.

Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

Have benefitted from many "I'll buy the first round if you are correct" bet from fans and officials alike after showing them
4.19.8 (a).

It's inexcuseable that a fellow official would lose this bet.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

...beautiful...you know, kid, I'm starting to like you more and more.

Somewhere between Nevada and Jurassic...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...beautiful...you know, kid, I'm starting to like you more and more.

Somewhere between Nevada and Jurassic...

Well now I'm torn....

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by deecee

All simoltaneous fouls GO TO POI...nothing complicated about that.

In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM POSSESSION.

I think you are confusing POI with posession arrow. the possession arrow can be the POI. POI means point of interruption. When you have a simultaneous foul you go to the POI and the possession arrow can help you decide who gets possession.

...nah...I get it.

Again...just creating some discussion, so that others might see the thought process.

It is POI...but, some may have thought simply to give the ball back to Team A when a blarge occurs.

As you stated...it COULD be a throw-in for Team A...or it COULD go to the possession arrow...it depends on the POI.

NOTE: I have had two blarges, that I can remember, in my 20 year career...in both instances, we got together and decided one official had the call BEFORE the other.

I know, I know...you will say we screwed it up...so I have screwed up a grand total of 2 calls in 20 years.