Substitution

[Refsmitty]

2 situations last night that I think I missed.

1. Basket goes in - lead blows whistle for a goal tending call - but the ball went in anyway - we allowed subs - right or wrong?

2. I am lead and blow for a delay of game warning - as I notify the book - I have a brain fart and let the subs in - right or wrong?

I assume wrong in both instances!

[Smitty]

Why do you think you were wrong? If there's a whistle, even if it was an inadvertent whiste, bring the subs in.

[Refsmitty]

We discussed and thought advantage - disadvantage.

[Smitty]

You thought wrong.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We discussed and thought advantage - disadvantage.

play was already stopped - let them in

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We discussed and thought advantage - disadvantage.

Let them sub in. Once you blow your whistle play has stopped and the ball is dead or will become dead once a try has ended. Even on an inadvertent whistle. There is no advantage/disadvantage here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We discussed and thought advantage - disadvantage.

I have to admit I'm curious what you thought A/D had to do with this play.

Subs are to be allowed in anytime the ball is dead with the clock stopped, with a couple of exceptions that don't apply here (free throws or "needs to sit a tick" situations.) Even with inadvertent whistles.

[Refsmitty]

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

That could also be interpreted as good coaching. And you would be providing a disadvantage to his team if you disallowed the subs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

Ah, gotcha. Well, he'd be ok doing so, too, and risking one of his players later committing another DOG violation. There's no rule or case play saying to ignore the subs here, so by rule you'd have to allow it.

The good news is, he can only do it once.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

If he wants a player in that bad, that's his choice.

Snaqs identified the exceptions where we don't allow any substitutions (free throws) and where a player is not eligible to substitute yet (hasn't sat a tick after leaving the game), but the only exception I can think of where an eligible substitute is not allowed in the game while the clock is stopped other than the free throw situation is when they report after the first warning horn during a timeout or intermission.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

By the way, you'll note the NFHS remedy for preventing an unwarranted advantage from a DOG or other defensive violation is simply to ignore or delay the violation, or go straight to a technical foul if necessary.

[slow whistle]

Did you guys pre-game that L would be making goaltending calls?

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

By the way, you'll note the NFHS remedy for preventing an unwarranted advantage from a DOG or other defensive violation is simply to ignore or delay the violation, or go straight to a technical foul if necessary.

Yeah, was just thinking about that. If a coach were to purposely use DOG to stop the clock in a very close game with a few seconds left, couldn't you either ignore that or T him up (or the player(s) who DOGed it)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

Yeah, was just thinking about that. If a coach were to purposely use DOG to stop the clock in a very close game with a few seconds left, couldn't you either ignore that or T him up (or the player(s) who DOGed it)?

Yes, there's a case play that instructs us to do just that if the coach does it with less than 5 seconds left.

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