Substitution

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We discussed and thought advantage - disadvantage.

I have to admit I'm curious what you thought A/D had to do with this play.

Subs are to be allowed in anytime the ball is dead with the clock stopped, with a couple of exceptions that don't apply here (free throws or "needs to sit a tick" situations.) Even with inadvertent whistles.

[Refsmitty]

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

That could also be interpreted as good coaching. And you would be providing a disadvantage to his team if you disallowed the subs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

Ah, gotcha. Well, he'd be ok doing so, too, and risking one of his players later committing another DOG violation. There's no rule or case play saying to ignore the subs here, so by rule you'd have to allow it.

The good news is, he can only do it once.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

If he wants a player in that bad, that's his choice.

Snaqs identified the exceptions where we don't allow any substitutions (free throws) and where a player is not eligible to substitute yet (hasn't sat a tick after leaving the game), but the only exception I can think of where an eligible substitute is not allowed in the game while the clock is stopped other than the free throw situation is when they report after the first warning horn during a timeout or intermission.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

We were thinking that if a coach wanted to get a player in bad enough - he may be willing to take a delay of game warning to stop the clock. It would be his first warning - no biggie...

By the way, you'll note the NFHS remedy for preventing an unwarranted advantage from a DOG or other defensive violation is simply to ignore or delay the violation, or go straight to a technical foul if necessary.

[slow whistle]

Did you guys pre-game that L would be making goaltending calls?

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

By the way, you'll note the NFHS remedy for preventing an unwarranted advantage from a DOG or other defensive violation is simply to ignore or delay the violation, or go straight to a technical foul if necessary.

Yeah, was just thinking about that. If a coach were to purposely use DOG to stop the clock in a very close game with a few seconds left, couldn't you either ignore that or T him up (or the player(s) who DOGed it)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

Yeah, was just thinking about that. If a coach were to purposely use DOG to stop the clock in a very close game with a few seconds left, couldn't you either ignore that or T him up (or the player(s) who DOGed it)?

Yes, there's a case play that instructs us to do just that if the coach does it with less than 5 seconds left.

9.2.10 Comment

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

. . . with a couple of exceptions that don't apply here (free throws or "needs to sit a tick" situations.) . . .

This happened last night, and I was wondering if this is a situation you'd not allow a sub to enter:
Ball is just barely at the disposal of the free throw shooter. The table then hits the horn for a substitute. Since the horn obviously disconcerted the free throw shooter, I killed it with a whistle. We then did not allow the substitute on the premise that it was not signalled in time.
Can't find anything in the book about it other than the allowance of any substitute on a whistle.
We were being dorks, or were we correct?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

This happened last night, and I was wondering if this is a situation you'd not allow a sub to enter:
Ball is just barely at the disposal of the free throw shooter. The table then hits the horn for a substitute. Since the horn obviously disconcerted the free throw shooter, I killed it with a whistle. We then did not allow the substitute on the premise that it was not signalled in time.
Can't find anything in the book about it other than the allowance of any substitute on a whistle.
We were being dorks, or were we correct?

It was not it time until you killed it with a whistle. Now the sub can come in, but the timer must write chseagle on a piece of paper 1000 times after the game.