Words can't describe.... this video.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Let's see...

The head coach that was complaining was sitting at the end of his bench which was closest to the other team's basket, somewhere around the second lane space. The foul that he wanted called occurred all the way across the court appriximately at around the top of the 3-point arc.

Let's do the math.....

It's 50 feet across the court plus another few feet from the bench.

From where the coach was sitting, it would be about 54 feet down the court at the other end.

Sooooo....54 feet down and 50 feet across...square the hypotenuse...round off....deduct 2 ....add 6 inches for the Ron Jeremy(tm) effect.....and it comes out to occurring one helluva long way away from the coach.

Yup, the FAR bench had a great look at the steal.

You really do think like a coach, don't you?

So you are saying that its not possible for a coach to be correct just because the are farther away or have a different angle? From the video, the players arm was grabbed, and the official was too close to the play, looking back at it.

Are you saying that officials are alway right just because they happen to be closer to the play?

The official that the tirade was directed at was closer to the coach when he stormed the floor and he failed to make a call.

We have all seen plays that officials have failed to make calls on. It is possible that there were previous plays that merited a whistle but were not called that became part of the initial blow up.

Quite frankly, they should've run him when he charged the official, then when he had a second blow up after the T.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Quite frankly, they should've run him when he charged the official, then when he had a second blow up after the T.

I thought so too. Why didn't they, anyone?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

So you are saying that its not possible for a coach to be correct just because the are farther away or have a different angle? From the video, the players arm was grabbed, and the official was too close to the play, looking back at it.

Are you saying that officials are alway right just because they happen to be closer to the play?

The official that the tirade was directed at was closer to the coach when he stormed the floor and he failed to make a call.

We have all seen plays that officials have failed to make calls on. It is possible that there were previous plays that merited a whistle but were not called that became part of the initial blow up.

Quite frankly, they should've run him when he charged the official, then when he had a second blow up after the T.

I will not speak for JR but I agree with his position on this. I think coaches want it both ways. They want to say they see something across the court better than officials, but then want to tell officials what they should have called based on where they are standing. The official that was in this video was much had a much better angle (on the first play) than the coach any day. And based on what the video showed, the coach was near the end of the bench on the end line area. So he was more than 50 feet away from the play and that does not include who he had to look around to see the entire play. And to really know if the official got this right or wrong, we would need a closer or possibly different angle to tell either way. If the ball was poked out first, then all other contact can and should be ignored if you know how to actually call the game. All contact is not a foul and never was intended to be. So it is really an issue to know what took place first and the nature of the contact as well. We are not going to know that on this video. But we do know that the coach is much further away from the play than the calling officials on this play.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will not speak for JR but I agree with his position on this.

All contact is not a foul and never was intended to be. So it is really an issue to know what took place first and the nature of the contact as well. We are not going to know that on this video. But we do know that the coach is much further away from the play than the calling officials on this play.

I will not speak for Jeff but I agree with his position on this.

[TheOracle]

This is pretty fascinating. The first video shows what might be a foul, but these types of calls are missed on occasion. The coach flips, gets T'd pretty late. He also could have gotten thrown for continuing to be out of control. The second video shows what I would consider a clear foul. He's not is position, moving towards the shooter, and the shooter goes down hard with the defender ending up where the shooter initiated his shot. It's pretty obvious that even if the ball was touched, he did not have a chance to land. The severity of that play with no whistle, combined with the situation of a close game with less than a minute, does not look good for the crew. IMO, they missed an Oh My God.

Throwing someone after a call was probably missed without a freak out like video #1 doesn't look good. I use T's as a last resort, which is a minority opinion with this crowd. The first one was automatic and could have even been an ejection, but I don't like video 2 at all.

BTW, the facial expression of the C on both of these is poor. Smirking is never professional no mkatter what a coach or player does.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

1) So you are saying that its not possible for a coach to be correct just because the are farther away or have a different angle?

2) From the video, the players arm was grabbed, and the official was too close to the play, looking back at it.

3) Are you saying that officials are alway right just because they happen to be closer to the play?

4) The official that the tirade was directed at was closer to the coach when he stormed the floor and he failed to make a call.

5)We have all seen plays that officials have failed to make calls on. It is possible that there were previous plays that merited a whistle but were not called that became part of the initial blow up.

6) Quite frankly, they should've run him when he charged the official, then when he had a second blow up after the T.

1) Nope, I'm saying that he hasn't got a good a view as the T and C on this play, and they both passed on the call. That's one of the few facts that we have, as far as I'm concerned. I'm also saying it's ridiculous to go nuts over a call that is that far away from you.

2) Possibly. In cases like this though, I really like to hear the officials' side of it before I say one way or another. I'm funny like that. Note that's officials(plural). I'd like to talk to both the T and the C and ask what they saw. And btw, note that you also can't get unanimity from the officials in this forum watching that clip as to whether a foul occurred or not. Doesn't that tell you something?

3) Nope. I've already stated that it was certainly possible that the T missed the call but that was no reason for the coach to go nutso.

4) Agree. And again, I'd like to talk to the crew before I made up my mind one way or another re: the way the situation was handled.

5) Agree ...and that's another variable missing that stops us from making a final decision re: placing any possible blame on any official.

6) Quite frankly, I agree and that's probably what I would have done.