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Originally Posted by mbyron
I was not sarcastic or ironic in any way. Bringing in yet another Rutledge red herring (not closely guarded) does not improve your case: the reason the "blocked shot" mechanic is bad does not apply to that signal either.
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Maybe I missed something in school, but usually when people have discussions or debates on issues, you bring in similar or related issues to make a point. That is what is advocated in most position papers I had to write or anytime I was in speech class both in high school and college. You address the opposition point of view by using a related issue. And it was considered a bad signal until it was adopted. Now is it the fact that it is not adopted by the NF that makes it a bad signal, or something else?
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Originally Posted by mbyron
Who said anything about coaches going off? It's a bad signal because it opens the door to double calls (foul/no-foul situations). I invite you either to address that point or simply to assert that you intend to use a bad mechanic as you see fit.
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You obviously did not see these comments on page 2 of this page which started the signal discussion. And where my comments you eventually responded to were based on.
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Originally Posted by RichMSN
On the second play, I think the official giving the gator chop is just throwing fuel on the fire. Why signal anything? The lack of a whistle tells me everything I need to know.
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Let me say this, the use of the signal is not the issue, when the signal is used is the issue. If I have a blocked shot where I have a shooter falls to the floor and the ball goes out of bounds, and I give a "blocked" signal (or tip signal) and then signal out of bounds, not sure how you would likely have two opposing calls. Of course if anyone were to only use that signal and did so immediately that would be the case. But if the play is been ruled on and we are going the other way, I have no problem personally with someone signaling if they feel necessary. You do not like this, but we do not use the "not closely guarded" signal all over the court, we use it in very special situations to clarify why there is not a count. And the "blocked shot" signal should be used even less and in very specific situations if at all. I did not say you had to use it or not, but since this was talked about as to why the call was not made, I commented in a very specific context. Sorry that you seemed to miss the context.
Peace