Coaches standing in box

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by chseagle

C-Squad game tonight, visiting team through the 2nd half of the game had 2 coaches standing up throughout.

Whatcha' want us to do about it? lol

Or was there a question?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Whatcha' want us to do about it? lol

Or was there a question?

Well the question is as I was wanting someone to ask 1st, is only one coach is allowed to stand except during timeouts correct?

I did notify U1 about it when he came over to report a foul, but the coaches seemed to always be sitting when the officials were looking their way. Considering it was interfering were table operations.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did notify U1 about it when he came over to report a foul, but the coaches seemed to always be sitting when the officials were looking their way. Considering it was interfering were table operations.

I had to quote this post just to preserve it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did notify U1 about it ................

Haven't you already been warned about this?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Haven't you already been warned about this?

I did give the benefit of the doubt, & did let it slide for a little bit. However when both coaches were standing side-by-side on a continual basis & obstructing the table's view of the court, after this happening for half of a quarter, is when I mentioned. All I stated was that both coaches were standing at the same time while the ball was live, nothing more.

[just another ref]

Interfered with table operations...............how?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Interfered with table operations...............how?

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

They were also blocking the view of the shot clock operator, in case of reset due to change of team control, in that part of the court.

As we have the 35-sec. shot clock for boys' games now.

The coaches tried doing the same thing during Boys' V, but the officials gave them a warning (I didn't say anything) & they ceased doing it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

Unfortunately, I was trained to do both shot clock operations & scoreboard/timer operations by sight & not sound.

Considering even during C-Squad & JV games, the atmosphere can be like a heated rivalry V game (lots of crowd noise, hard to hear the whistle).

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did give the benefit of the doubt, & did let it slide for a little bit. However when both coaches were standing side-by-side on a continual basis & obstructing the table's view of the court, after this happening for half of a quarter, is when I mentioned. All I stated was that both coaches were standing at the same time while the ball was live, nothing more.

That was big of you.

[bbcoach7]

What is it with the scorers table guys? Ours seems to believe he's the only one capable of setting up the equipment and plugging it in. About once a season, we set it up for him just to watch him fuss and fret when he shows up 5 minutes before the tip. He'll unplug everything and then plug it back in exactly the way we did it, muttering to his self the whole time. It's obviously a control issue. I've been told that he narrates the entire game out loud quietly, so if you're sitting beside him, it's non-stop chatter. People have asked him to stop, told him it's distracting, but he'll never stop, apparently he can't. Durring our home tournament, we were playing, and while the opponent was in possession of the ball I heard a voice loudly calling out, "7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2," as the shot clock ran down. I looked over at the table and it was him! WTF?!? First oportunity I got I walked the several steps to the table and said, "When you loudly announce the shot clock winding down, you're helping our opponent." I was later told by home book that he didn't say a word for 5 minutes or more, and when he finally spoke, it was to rant about me. Whatever, I don't care, just as long as he stops coujnting down the shot clock.

And if he can't see the official because I'm standing, well maybe he should stand up!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

What is it with the scorers table guys? Ours seems to believe he's the only one capable of setting up the equipment and plugging it in. About once a season, we set it up for him just to watch him fuss and fret when he shows up 5 minutes before the tip. He'll unplug everything and then plug it back in exactly the way we did it, muttering to his self the whole time. It's obviously a control issue. I've been told that he narrates the entire game out loud quietly, so if you're sitting beside him, it's non-stop chatter. People have asked him to stop, told him it's distracting, but he'll never stop, apparently he can't. Durring our home tournament, we were playing, and while the opponent was in possession of the ball I heard a voice loudly calling out, "7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2," as the shot clock ran down. I looked over at the table and it was him! WTF?!? First oportunity I got I walked the several steps to the table and said, "When you loudly announce the shot clock winding down, you're helping our opponent." I was later told by home book that he didn't say a word for 5 minutes or more, and when he finally spoke, it was to rant about me. Whatever, I don't care, just as long as he stops coujnting down the shot clock.

And if he can't see the official because I'm standing, well maybe he should stand up!

Concerning the shot clock countdown, when I'm doing shot clock in the main gym, I've been asked to do that so that the timer can buzz the horn due to the shot clock buzzer not being very loud. However I do the countdown so that the timer can hear it, but no one else (or so I think, I hope).

I try to get to the gym about an hour before the 1st game to assist with setup, however all I do is assist with getting the scorers' tables setup.

Last night was an experiment with the secondary gym table setup. The AD said nothing concerning the setup, so he had no complaints. Basically for my alma mater, the table setup is up to the timer. I just moved the books around to where they were next to each other with the scoreboard/timer & shot clock next to each other.

The main gym setup (started operation in 1994) has a scorers' table on the floor with the benches on either side, although this setup has only been in use for the last 2 years. The secondary gym setup (the secondary gym is about 40 years old) has the scorers' table in the middle of wood manual pullout bleachers with the personnel sitting 3 rows up, the benches on either side.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did give the benefit of the doubt, & did let it slide for a little bit. However when both coaches were standing side-by-side on a continual basis & obstructing the table's view of the court, after this happening for half of a quarter, is when I mentioned. All I stated was that both coaches were standing at the same time while the ball was live, nothing more.

Then this is what you should have reported -- the fact that it was interfering with your duties and how.

Your previous comment about "not getting a T" seems to give away your true intent, though.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well the question is as I was wanting someone to ask 1st, is only one coach is allowed to stand except during timeouts correct?

I did notify U1 about it when he came over to report a foul, but the coaches seemed to always be sitting when the officials were looking their way. Considering it was interfering were table operations.

10-4
The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not:

10-4-4
Stand in the team bench area while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated, except:
a. The head coach as in 10-5-1
b. When a team member is reporting to the scorer's table
c. During a charged time-out, as in 5-12-5, or the intermission between quarters and extra periods.
d. To spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member or to acknowledge a replaced player(s), but must immediately return to his/her seat.


Also, I would avoid telling the R, U1, or U2 what to do or what they aren't doing unless you want to find a different seat.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tjones1

10-4
The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not:

10-4-4
Stand in the team bench area while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated, except:
a. The head coach as in 10-5-1
b. When a team member is reporting to the scorer's table
c. During a charged time-out, as in 5-12-5, or the intermission between quarters and extra periods.
d. To spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member or to acknowledge a replaced player(s), but must immediately return to his/her seat.


Also, I would avoid telling the R, U1, or U2 what to do or what they aren't doing unless you want to find a different seat.

I did not report it right away, I mentioned to U1 that I had noticed both coaches standing at the same time, when he was close enough to summon over, after he reported a foul. I didn't request a T or anything.

Both coaches were standing while the ball was live, & they were standing in such a way that it did interfere with table operations.

Neither coach got T'd cause of my actions, but they were more closely watched.