Coaches standing in box

[just another ref]

Interfered with table operations...............how?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Interfered with table operations...............how?

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

They were also blocking the view of the shot clock operator, in case of reset due to change of team control, in that part of the court.

As we have the 35-sec. shot clock for boys' games now.

The coaches tried doing the same thing during Boys' V, but the officials gave them a warning (I didn't say anything) & they ceased doing it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

They were also blocking the view of the shot clock operator, in case of reset due to change of team control, in that part of the court.

As we have the 35-sec. shot clock for boys' games now.

It is a legitimate point that the shot clock operator needs to see the action in order to properly reset and start the device.

However, I'm having a hard time visualizing the table set up and the angle of view which would cause anyone standing in the team bench area to block the view of the table crew from more than a few feet of the playing court.

Consider what happens in the final few moments of close games when the entire bench jumps up to cheer about a play. I don't see this as anything more challenging to the shot clock operator, but I do note the difference in that the situation with an assistant coach isn't a legal action. So the point is that interference which shouldn't be occurring because the person isn't allowed to be in the way should be stopped.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It is a legitimate point that the shot clock operator needs to see the action in order to properly reset and start the device.

However, I'm having a hard time visualizing the table set up and the angle of view which would cause anyone standing in the team bench area to block the view of the table crew from more than a few feet of the playing court.

Consider what happens in the final few moments of close games when the entire bench jumps up to cheer about a play. I don't see this as anything more challenging to the shot clock operator, but I do note the difference in that the situation with an assistant coach isn't a legal action. So the point is that interference which shouldn't be occurring because the person isn't allowed to be in the way should be stopped.

The set-up in the secondary gym has the scorers' table right in the middle of the bleachers, with the personnel sitting 3 rows up, instead of separately from the bleachers. Both benches are right next to the scorers' table on the court. The coaches' box is located right next to the scorers' table as well. The shot clock controls are next to the visitors' bench (however that might get changed around if the AD agrees to it).

The 2 coaches were both approx. 6 ft. tall. The sideline in the secondary gym is only 3 ft. from the bleaches to the court boundary.

[Time2Ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The 2 coaches were both approx. 6 ft. tall. The sideline in the secondary gym is only 3 ft. from the bleaches to the court boundary.

Rule:
19-4-2: No team may have two coaches 6 ft or taller.

Case:
19.2.4: A's bench coach and asst. coach are both 6 ft. tall. Table informs ref of the the coaches' height. Ruling: Request management to replace the table personnel.

Sorry, couldn't help myself

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

Unfortunately, I was trained to do both shot clock operations & scoreboard/timer operations by sight & not sound.

Considering even during C-Squad & JV games, the atmosphere can be like a heated rivalry V game (lots of crowd noise, hard to hear the whistle).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Unfortunately, I was trained to do both shot clock operations & scoreboard/timer operations by sight & not sound.

Considering even during C-Squad & JV games, the atmosphere can be like a heated rivalry V game (lots of crowd noise, hard to hear the whistle).

Actually, upon further reflection, I realized that there are a couple of things that do need to be seen by the scorer as the game does not get stopped and this information reported. The official signaling a 3-pt goal and the number of the player making the shot.

But the first can be corrected at any future point in the game and the second isn't the end of the world if it is missed as long as the running score is kept correctly.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Actually, upon further reflection, I realized that there are a couple of things that do need to be seen by the scorer as the game does not get stopped and this information reported. The official signaling a 3-pt goal and the number of the player making the shot.

But the first can be corrected at any future point in the game and the second isn't the end of the world if it is missed as long as the running score is kept correctly.

True, but then the majority of the training I have is from when I was doing JV & C-Squad scorebook, so then I was watching the player numbers real closely as well as the ball. Basically I've extended that training into scoreboard/timer & shot clock. Although I've been working on going off of sounds as well, considering like it was mentioned earlier, it can be easier to hear a whistle than see the signal in traffic.

As of this year, for some unknown reason, the crowds that have shown up for the JV & C-Squads have been noisier & more rowdy. Also it doesn't help that those that are doing the scorebook seem to want to be fans instead of impartial observers.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

As of this year, for some unknown reason, the crowds that have shown up for the JV & C-Squads have been noisier & more rowdy. Also it doesn't help that those that are doing the scorebook seem to want to be fans instead of impartial observers.

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle. Control the fans, keep the scorebook, time, run the shot clock and in your spare time direct the game officials as to how the game should be called.

Keep up the great work.

Maybe you could sell tickets before the game and write it up for the local newspaper after the game also. Just a thought...

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle. Control the fans, keep the scorebook, time, run the shot clock and in your spare time direct the game officials as to how the game should be called.

Keep up the great work....

Wow. Are we sure this isn't Diebler posting under an assumed name? Seems like the only thing missing is halftime popcorn sales.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle.

Perfectly said

-Josh

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle. Control the fans, keep the scorebook, time, run the shot clock and in your spare time direct the game officials as to how the game should be called.

Keep up the great work.

Maybe you could sell tickets before the game and write it up for the local newspaper after the game also. Just a thought...

Jurassic,

I've done a couple of games where I've done both scoreboard/timer & shot clock at the same time, it isn't as easy to do for me though as I thought.

When I am doing a position, I concerntrate on the duties of that position only & not everything else, unless it can affect the duties of that position.

Actually the local newspaper needs a fresh perspective of writing, however I don't remember details that well to write every little scoring play down.

Due to not having a Food Handlers' Card, I will not work concessions.

All I did concerning the coaches was mentioned that it was happening, I didn't quote the rules book. I did mention that with both coaches standing, that neither I or the shot clock operator was able to have clear view of the court. I realize that there's times that a team may be standing especially in the heat of the moment, or that a coach may be calling plays to the team, however both coaches were just standing there to be standing there.