Can't believe it, but I heard it

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Are you serious? The correct but unpopular call happens as often as once or twice a game. Backcourt calls typically fit into this, as do technical fouls, allowing a player to be in the lane for rebound after rebound, etc.

And can you tell me where in this thread someone denied mistakes are made by officials? No where.

I simply said for chseagle to try assuming the official saw something different, and if he has a question and the officials are open to him asking, to ask away.

I agree with everything you have said. Many others imply that people in the stands are not qualified or cannot see well enough to know when a mistake is made. It's sanctimonious, and unhelpful to those officials to think in that closed a fashion. As to your examples, I understand--those are not contentious issues in the games I officiate or assign.

I think what chseagle is doing is great.

[Adam]

So you think it's okay for a table person to tell the other people at the table the refs just screwed up? You think it's ok for an official sitting in the stands evaluating the officials on the floor to tell the fans sitting around him that the officials just screwed up?

How many times do the fans get on you for a call you got right? Often, in my experience. That means they think I made a mistake either by rule or by judgment. I can live with that from the fans, but I'm not going to accept if from the table crew. You may as well have your partner telling the table crew (yeah, my partner missed a travel but he was straight lined.) This has nothing to do with being thin skinned, it's about crew integrity.

The questions has been asked already, but why would the table crew assume one of their own knows better than the official on the court?

If a coach asks me why I missed something, and I may have, I'll tell him why. The few times I've had to do this, it works. But I don't want my partners or the table crew either calling out mistakes or making excuses for me.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So you think it's okay for a table person to tell the other people at the table the refs just screwed up? You think it's ok for an official sitting in the stands evaluating the officials on the floor to tell the fans sitting around him that the officials just screwed up?

How many times do the fans get on you for a call you got right? Often, in my experience. That means they think I made a mistake either by rule or by judgment. I can live with that from the fans, but I'm not going to accept if from the table crew. You may as well have your partner telling the table crew (yeah, my partner missed a travel but he was straight lined.) This has nothing to do with being thin skinned, it's about crew integrity.

The questions has been asked already, but why would the table crew assume one of their own knows better than the official on the court?

If a coach asks me why I missed something, and I may have, I'll tell him why. The few times I've had to do this, it works. But I don't want my partners or the table crew either calling out mistakes or making excuses for me.

Again, we are in agreement. If a table crew is visibly reacting negatively, it gets addressed. One time I removed the scoreboard operator from he table area for shaking his head about calls after I asked him to stop doing it. I have probably seen that 2-3 times in 30 years. Paid evaulators in stands are doing, a job, and nobody around them will know what they are doing or what their opinions are. They are far to busy observing and filling out sheets. Making general comments? No need to have rabbit ears about anything.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

I think what chseagle is doing is great.

I'm not surprised.

[tomegun]

Is it me or has Chseagle's story changed/developed during this thread? He said something, said something low, is trying to stop, has stopped, says something to the other table crew. Whatever the case may be, if this guy is so good, why not get on the floor instead of sitting at the table? The game needs good officials...if you are as good as your comments indicate. I highly doubt it and would suggest more listening and less talking.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Is it me or has Chseagle's story changed/developed during this thread? He said something, said something low, is trying to stop, has stopped, says something to the other table crew. Whatever the case may be, if this guy is so good, why not get on the floor instead of sitting at the table? The game needs good officials...if you are as good as your comments indicate. I highly doubt it and would suggest more listening and less talking.

I have stated in a previous post, that due to health conditions, I am unable to be an official. I would love to be an official, but cause of my health, i cannot.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I have stated in a previous post, that due to health conditions, I am unable to be an official. I would love to be an official, but cause of my health, i cannot.

I'm sorry to hear that. You should know that coming to an officiating forum and admitting you throw officials under the bus will not be received well.