Can't believe it, but I heard it

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I choose my words carefully when I do make comments. I may say something like "should of been a travel, but probably couldn't see it". Most of the time, it's about missed calls that couldn't be seen due to being out of position or too much traffic in the way to make the call.

You know, it never fails to amaze me how someone 50-60 or more feet from a play with a relatively crummy angle of view, and minimal knowledge and even less understanding of the rules, thinks they have a better look and better judgment than a trained official who's right on top of it. If the table were the best place to call the game from they'd put the officials there instead of having them on the court.

For table personnel to make comments on a call or lack thereof from their own myopic viewpoint is unprofessional.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

You know, it never fails to amaze me how someone 50-60 or more feet from a play with a relatively crummy angle of view, and minimal knowledge and even less understanding of the rules, thinks they have a better look and better judgment than a trained official who's right on top of it. If the table were the best place to call the game from they'd put the officials there instead of having them on the court.

For table personnel to make comments on a call or lack thereof from their own myopic viewpoint is unprofessional.

Sheez, Tim, don't hold back. Why not tell us how you really feel?

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Sheez, Tim, don't hold back. Why not tell us how you really feel?

Because I might accidentally offend someone?

I'm all for subtlety when it's effective, but sometimes you just have to drag out the old cluex4......or maybe I'm just cranky because I didn't get my post game nap yesterday, since it took 3 hours to get home from my game at Wilsonville HS.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

You know, it never fails to amaze me how someone 50-60 or more feet from a play with a relatively crummy angle of view, and minimal knowledge and even less understanding of the rules, thinks they have a better look and better judgment than a trained official who's right on top of it. If the table were the best place to call the game from they'd put the officials there instead of having them on the court.

For table personnel to make comments on a call or lack thereof from their own myopic viewpoint is unprofessional.

Can't the same thing be said of coaches or regular spectators?

[muxbule]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Can't the same thing be said of coaches or regular spectators?

Here is the difference.....table personnel are part of the crew. All have the same crappy angle, but as Tim said, to do it as part of the table personnel is unprofessional.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by muxbule

Here is the difference.....table personnel are part of the crew. All have the same crappy angle, but as Tim said, to do it as part of the table personnel is unprofessional.

True about the angle.

When I do say anything, it's low key where only those at the table hear it, no one else. However, again, this is something I am working on NOT DOING.

Perhaps if the Table crew had an association like the officials, there'd be more professionalism.

Some of the times, I'm not saying anything but someone else does

[muxbule]

Originally Posted by chseagle

this is something I am working on NOT DOING.
Some of the times, I'm not saying anything but someone else does

I find most of your posts confusing and not worth reading like this one. This should not be something you are working on stopping...for God's sake just shut up at the table and if someone else says something sack up and tell them as part of the table personnel that is unprofessional and if they continue they will be removed.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by muxbule

I find most of your posts confusing and not worth reading like this one. This should not be something you are working on stopping...for God's sake just shut up at the table and if someone else says something sack up and tell them as part of the table personnel that is unprofessional and if they continue they will be removed.

In other words, I'm getting myself into the habit of not saying anything. I do slip up periodically, but I cuss myself out for doing it.

I've been mentioning to the others that do say something, leave it up to the officials as that's not our call.

Unfortunately, I don't have many options when it comes to the other table personnel as most of the time the person doing scorebook is the only person trained available.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

True about the angle.

When I do say anything, it's low key where only those at the table hear it, no one else. However, again, this is something I am working on NOT DOING.

Perhaps if the Table crew had an association like the officials, there'd be more professionalism.

Some of the times, I'm not saying anything but someone else does

Here's a piece of advice, take it or leave it.

Instead of saying "should have been a travel but...." Try assuming the ref saw something you didn't; like maybe the player didn't have control or something. If the officials are amenable to your questions afterwards, feel free to ask. If you're lucky, they'll remember the play.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here's a piece of advice, take it or leave it.

Instead of saying "should have been a travel but...." Try assuming the ref saw something you didn't; like maybe the player didn't have control or something. If the officials are amenable to your questions afterwards, feel free to ask. If you're lucky, they'll remember the play.

It's cause of what you're stating is one of the reasons why I am posting & asking some of the questions. I'm trying to get a better comprehension/understanding of what it takes to be an official, so that I can be a better part of the table crew & spectator (for times, I'm not doing anything).

Yes, the best position to call a foul/violation is from the floor right in front of the play.

It's also cause of your statement, that I'm training myself not to make statements at the table, or as a spectator.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yes, the best position to call a foul/violation is from the floor right in front of the play.

Like most absolute statements, this is not always true.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Some of the times, I'm not saying anything but someone else does

Remember my post earlier about "discouraging others who do so"?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by chseagle

True about the angle.

When I do say anything, it's low key where only those at the table hear it, no one else. However, again, this is something I am working on NOT DOING.

Perhaps if the Table crew had an association like the officials, there'd be more professionalism.

Some of the times, I'm not saying anything but someone else does

Professionalism starts with the individual. You don't need an association or a patch on your shirt to act professional. Just do it! If the others around you at the table choose not to, so be it. Let the AD handle that.
Make yourself a New Year's resolution...I'm am going to conduct myself in a professional manner at the table at all times. From the time I arrive at the gym until the time that I leave. I'm going to work to become the most professional timer that I can be.
Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. When your at the table don't act/think like a fan (it's unprofessional)...act like a timer with a responsible and importantt job to do. When your at the table don't try to be a ref, (it's unprofessional) act like a timer with a responsible and important job to do. We all need/appreciate good timers..especially ones that act in both word and deed in professional manner.....before the game, during the game, during the intermissions, and after the game.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Can't the same thing be said of coaches or regular spectators?

Sure...it doesn't change the point though. If the best position to officiate was from the stands or from the benches, then we'd go ahead and place them there.

[jkohls]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Sure...it doesn't change the point though. If the best position to officiate was from the stands or from the benches, then we'd go ahead and place them there.

I have long contended that the best place to call a game is the seat next to the HC. Back when I was an assistant coach, I never missed a call from that spot.


(In the last 8 years as an official, I believe I have become much less of an idiot, but the guys who now occupy that seat would argue that, I'm sure.)