Counting

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Today, with every game, from third grade on up, being taped, in some cases on a mom's cell phone, we all must show these visible counts at all times. No more, "Oh, I forgot to start my ten second count, I guess that I'll pick it up at, oh, three", or, "Gee, he's been closely guarded for a second or so, so I guess I'll pick up my count at, oh, let's see, two", like in the olden days, not that I ever did anything like that.

Has being taped on anyone's cell phone every really caused anybody a problem?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Has being taped on anyone's cell phone every really caused anybody a problem?

Yeah, but it had nothing to do with officiating!

[BillyMac]

Not that I ever engaged in such activity, but ...

Originally Posted by just another ref

Has being taped on anyone's cell phone every really caused anybody a problem?

I had a parent show me a cell phone video between periods of a scrimmage that showed me making the correct call on a last second shot that didn't beat the horn. It could have just as easily been an incorrect call, in a real game, and the parent could have just as easily given the video to the coach.

Now I would feel bad, but wouldn't be embarrassed, by such an incorrect call on a "bang bang" play like the one I described, but I would certainly be embarrassed if I made a crucial five second, or ten second call, and was later shown a video where I only made four, or nine, visible counts, where both the rulebook, and the manual, state that we are supposed to make such counts visible.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

....I would certainly be embarrassed if I made a crucial five second, or ten second call, and was later shown a video where I only made four, or nine, visible counts, where both the rulebook, and the manual, state that we are supposed to make such counts visible.

I wouldn't. The only way I can see that this could possibly be an issue would be on a closely guarded count. The others have a definite indication of when they should start, and if my visible count is a beat behind the count, I can't imagine that anybody would ever notice, and if they did, I can't see how they could make an argument out of it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't imagine that anybody would ever notice, and if they did, I can't see how they could make an argument out of it.

"Hey Mr. BillyMac. Remember when you were here last week, and you made that closely guarded count against us in the last two minutes, in the game that we lost by one point, that kept us from any chance of making the state tournament? Sure you remember. Well, Ms. Johnson, our point guard's mother, that's right, the good looking chick who always sits behind our bench, well, she showed me a video on her cell phone, I've looked at it several times, and it clearly shows you making only four visible counts, with you blowing that #@%* whistle in synch with the last count. Ain't you supposed to show all your counts? What's that? You're asking me why we hired you for another game after that #@%* call? Well, Ms. Johnson is also an influential member of the PTA, she's a single mom, thinks that you're quite handsome, and wants to meet you."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Hey Mr. BillyMac. Remember when you were here last week, and you made that closely guarded count against us in the last two minutes, in the game that we lost by one point, that kept us from any chance of making the state tournament? Sure you remember. Well, Ms. Johnson, our point guard's mother, that's right, the good looking chick who always sits behind our bench, well, she showed me a video on her cell phone, I've looked at it several times, and it clearly shows you making only four visible counts.........

I always say when a person criticizes the mechanics, it's the same as saying "Good call." If they thought the call itself was bad, they would criticize that.
Tell Ms. Johnson that the violation was for being closely guarded for 5 seconds, not for 5 arm swings, and if she says that anybody was watching that closely at the time, and was put at a disadvantage by the visible count being a second behind the actual count, tell her politely that it didn't happen.

[BillyMac]

... It's reported you've been drinking and a running round with men and goin' wild.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Tell Ms. Johnson that the violation was for being closely guarded for 5 seconds, not for 5 arm swings, and if she says that anybody was watching that closely at the time, and was put at a disadvantage by the visible count being a second behind the actual count, tell her politely that it didn't happen.

I'll be sure to tell her, on your behalf, Saturday night. It's our first date. I hope to discover what "goin' wild" means.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... It's reported you've been drinking and a running round with men and goin' wild.



I'll be sure to tell her, on your behalf, Saturday night. It's our first date. I hope to discover what "goin' wild" means.

I would avoid the subject entirely if I were you. No, I get it. If you don't score, you're just looking for someplace else to put the blame.

Sound familiar?