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I have a question about a run counting
There are two outs and there are two baserunners on second and on third
The batter hits a grounder to the Shortstop and doesn't run to first base. The runner on second gets in a pickle between second and third while the runner on third touches home base. The batter starts running to first base and the runner who was on second base is tagged out. The third baseman who made the out throws the ball to the first baseman before the batter gets there. Does that run count?? |
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Are you talking about a very, VERY slow batter-runner who had yet to touch 1B? If not, then yes, the run counts. However, if Bubba the batter-runner took forever to get to 1B and was put out prior to reaching 1B, then no, the run would not count.
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Why? Are you saying that F5's throw to F3 and F3 subsequent tagging of first base before B/R5 touched first base is an advantageous fourth out appeal? MTD, Sr.
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NFHS allows for a 4th out appeal on runners who haven't scored. In this scenario, the run wouldn't have counted because the B/R failed to reach 1B. ASA, however, doesn't allow 4th out appeals on runners wh haven't scored. In this scenario, the run would count.
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In the OP, the run should count, provided, as I am reading it, the tag of the runner caught between 2nd and 3rd occurs after the R1 touched home.
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Crap. No. The play on the Batter-Runner does absolutely nothing. One run scores, change 'em up. Sorry, guys... I'll pay better attention from now on.
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Is it correct to assume the ball is dead once the third out is made? (NFHS rulebook not in office) Could this play be appealed as long as the throw did beat the runner to first? Is this a situation that is not appealable?
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Can't speak for NFHS, but once the third out is made, the third out is made, change sides. Only way to nullify a run in ASA after the third out is if you're appealing a runner who scored.
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Besides, I listed the appealable offenses for NFHS in my last post.
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For NFHS, there ia a provision in the rule book that when more than one out is declared that ends an inning, the defensive coach has the option of which out will apply. Refer to Rule 9.1.1 Exception e: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows: e. when there is more than one out declared by the umpire which terminates the half inning (the defensive team may select the out which is to its advantage) |
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eye opener
heard of 4th out never seen it applied...interesting scenerio... rules quote from case book didnt help...so are we in agreement that the defense has the right to choose the out to nullify the timing play at home?
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