Counting

[Johnny Ringo]

Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

[zebraman]

yes

[Mark Padgett]

Do you mean 5 second closely guarded or 5 second inbound? Doesn't matter, you physically count both.

Newbies - do you do the same with both 10 second counts (backcourt and FT)?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

Yes. Rule 2-7-9: "Silently and visibly counting seconds to administer . . . backcourt and closelely-guarded rules."

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

That's not germane to the original question. That must be a different Jackson.

[Johnny Ringo]

My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.

Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds.

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.

Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds.

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok?

All counts are silent.

5 and 10 second counts are visible.

3 second counts are invisible.

I don't have my rule book with me, but this difference is spelled out. It might be in the mechanics book, I'm not sure.

My turn to ask a question.

Why do you ask?

[bonehead]

There is a difference between silently and visibly.
You can count silently in your head on the 3 sec. lane violation with no arm motion.
All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent.
Counting out loud on a throw-in would be a big advantage to the thrower-in.
In my early years, a player asked if I could count out loud and I agreed to. I did not put the whistle in my mouth when counting and (you guessed it) I had a foul on the throw-in. By the time I got the whistle in and blew it the ball had advanced down the floor. Had to explain what happened. Never again!

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by bonehead

All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent.

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

You mean other than the 2-7-9 that was already mentioned in this thread?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

The faceless guy at the back of the book in picture #8 (at least in this book) illustrates the "visible count."

[Adam]

It's also in the officials' manual. Mine is the IAABO book, but it's #10 under "General Position and Coverage Responsibilities," page 18.

"All situations that involve counting, except the three second rule, require the official to display a visual count."

[Johnny Ringo]

Thanks. Rough crowd here all of the time. Don't understand why everyone has to be such smart asses

Many of you are experts at what you do and if you did not know it, a lot of players, coaches and fans come to this site to read and learn.

They don't have rule books or official's manuals and most will never have or see anything like.

Happy Holidays!

[bonehead]

It appears to me that Johnny Ringo is not an official. I think that it is great that he is trying to learn why we do what we do. The more fans that become familiar with the rules will mean less comments from the crowd.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Thanks. Rough crowd here all of the time. Don't understand why everone has to be such smart asses

Many of you are experst at what you do and if you did not know it, a lot of players, coaches and fans come to this site to read and learn.

They don't have rule books or official's manuals and most will never have or see anything like.

Happy Holidays!

I still have to ask. What makes you ask?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I still have to ask. What makes you ask?

As my Mom used to say, "Take a pill".