Counting

[Johnny Ringo]

Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

[zebraman]

yes

[Mark Padgett]

Do you mean 5 second closely guarded or 5 second inbound? Doesn't matter, you physically count both.

Newbies - do you do the same with both 10 second counts (backcourt and FT)?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

Yes. Rule 2-7-9: "Silently and visibly counting seconds to administer . . . backcourt and closelely-guarded rules."

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

That's not germane to the original question. That must be a different Jackson.

[Johnny Ringo]

My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.

Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds.

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.

Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds.

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok?

All counts are silent.

5 and 10 second counts are visible.

3 second counts are invisible.

I don't have my rule book with me, but this difference is spelled out. It might be in the mechanics book, I'm not sure.

My turn to ask a question.

Why do you ask?

[bonehead]

There is a difference between silently and visibly.
You can count silently in your head on the 3 sec. lane violation with no arm motion.
All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent.
Counting out loud on a throw-in would be a big advantage to the thrower-in.
In my early years, a player asked if I could count out loud and I agreed to. I did not put the whistle in my mouth when counting and (you guessed it) I had a foul on the throw-in. By the time I got the whistle in and blew it the ball had advanced down the floor. Had to explain what happened. Never again!

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by bonehead

All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent.

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

You mean other than the 2-7-9 that was already mentioned in this thread?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

The faceless guy at the back of the book in picture #8 (at least in this book) illustrates the "visible count."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Did you really ask that? Is there a difference between your ears and your eyes? Are you expecting a new Christmas carol, "Visible Night"?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

For those following along without the benefit of the books:

3 second count - Silent, not visible
5 second throw-in count - Silent, visible
5 second closely guarded - Silent, visible
10 second backcourt - Silent, visible
10 second free throw- Silent**, visible*

* Done using a much more subtle visual count, usually a wrist flick
** Sometimes done so silently the official who is counting can't even hear it. It's just as well, he has lot of other stuff to worry about

I think this guy has a GREAT count mechanic!