T Up a Fan?!?

[jdw3018]

This entire thread has spun a bit out of control, but it's an excellent read.

I had a recent example of a parent coming onto the court. Girls' V game. Girl goes down awkwardly when attempting to defend a shot (and gets called for a block in doing so) and obviously breaks her wrist/arm. Pretty nasty looking.

Beckon the coach immediately, move away. Mom comes out of the stands without being beckoned/without permission. She holds her daughter's hand while the coach and trainer attend to her and an administrator calls ahead to the hospital. Etc, etc.

Girl and mom leave with the trainer to head to the hospital.

We resume. No technicals.

Would a technical foul have made the game better? Not in a long shot. Was it deserved? In absolutely no way. Mom didn't interfere with the game, in fact, she calmed her daughter which likely helped get the game underway faster and with less emotional distress for others.

I can understand a desire to keep parents off the court in most cases. I can even see if someone wants game management to talk to fans/specific parents after an incident to let them know it would be appropriate to wait to be beckoned.

Asking GM to eject them and then issuing a technical foul is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. And the T is completely without rules support. I'm shocked Nevada has taken a position so unsupported by the rules and in contradiction to the spirit of the rule referenced.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

This entire thread has spun a bit out of control, but it's an excellent read.

I had a recent example of a parent coming onto the court. Girls' V game. Girl goes down awkwardly when attempting to defend a shot (and gets called for a block in doing so) and obviously breaks her wrist/arm. Pretty nasty looking.

Beckon the coach immediately, move away. Mom comes out of the stands without being beckoned/without permission. She holds her daughter's hand while the coach and trainer attend to her and an administrator calls ahead to the hospital. Etc, etc.

Girl and mom leave with the trainer to head to the hospital.

We resume. No technicals.

Would a technical foul have made the game better? Not in a long shot. Was it deserved? In absolutely no way. Mom didn't interfere with the game, in fact, she calmed her daughter which likely helped get the game underway faster and with less emotional distress for others.

I can understand a desire to keep parents off the court in most cases. I can even see if someone wants game management to talk to fans/specific parents after an incident to let them know it would be appropriate to wait to be beckoned.

Asking GM to eject them and then issuing a technical foul is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. And the T is completely without rules support. I'm shocked Nevada has taken a position so unsupported by the rules and in contradiction to the spirit of the rule referenced.

A very good reasoning to allow the parent down on the court is that yes they can calm the child & assist the attending medical personnel with the case history, it just depends on the severity of the injury.

In the situation with Derrick Roland, everyone else was on the other end of the court when the coach rushed out to his side. It was after the made attempt on the other side that play was stopped after everyone realized the seriousness of what was happening.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by chseagle

For example: what would happen if David Stockton (son of John Stockton) got injured when Gonzaga was playing against the University of Portland, & John (his father) came rushing down onto the court to be by his son's side although he wasn't summoned/given permission?

If they were playing at the Chiles Center in Portland, I don't think the staff there would see this as a big deal. But then, I know plenty of people at UP and they have plenty of common sense.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

If they were playing at the Chiles Center in Portland, I don't think the staff there would see this as a big deal. But then, I know plenty of people at UP and they have plenty of common sense.

I was using the University of Portland as an example, remembering that UP is a WCC rival for Gonzaga.

Concerning the insurance issue with the ambulance, it's recently been changed to where the only people allowed with the patient is the ambulance crew. My family does not like the policy, especially since used to riding in to the hospital via shotgun in the past.

Concerning the situations where I've seen the fans rush the court/field, the officials are still within the visual confines of the playing surface. Also I did not say that the officials bear the full blame, I also said that crowd control is to blame as well. Of course, overall Game Management should announce throughout the game to remain off the court, but how often are announcements like that done? For the games where I've seen this happen in person, the announcements are non-exsistent.

Yes the Texas A&M coach could of/should of been T'd, but due to the seriousness of the injury nothing was done. All the time, it comes to a person's judgement whether or not to assess the penalty or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the situations where I've seen the fans rush the court/field, the officials are still within the visual confines of the playing surface. Also I did not say that the officials bear the full blame, I also said that crowd control is to blame as well. Of course, overall Game Management should announce throughout the game to remain off the court, but how often are announcements like that done? For the games where I've seen this happen in person, the announcements are non-exsistent.

Yes the Texas A&M coach could of/should of been T'd, but due to the seriousness of the injury nothing was done. All the time, it comes to a person's judgement whether or not to assess the penalty or not.

No official that I know of would call a T on the coach there. Typically, when there is an injury, the only punishment for a coach coming onto the court is to assume he's been beckoned and then require the player be replaced or the coach burns a TO. So, while it "could" have been called, no official would say it "should" have been called.
And, FWIW, the severity of the injury has little to do with it here.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No official that I know of would call a T on the coach there.

C'mon, can't you think of, maybe one?

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the insurance issue with the ambulance, it's recently been changed to where the only people allowed with the patient is the ambulance crew. My family does not like the policy, especially since used to riding in to the hospital via shotgun in the past.

This is not surprising at all, as no doubt your family probably frequently needs to come visit you in the hospital. Because if you actually go around doing the kinds of things in real life that you talk about doing in here, I'm guessing you probably get beat up a lot.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

This is not surprising at all, as no doubt your family probably frequently needs to come visit you in the hospital. Because if you actually go around doing the kinds of things in real life that you talk about doing in here, I'm guessing you probably get beat up a lot.

...........I, myself, was so obnoxious, the seniors used to beat me up once a week. ***





***Eric Stratton "Otter"