injury Ft question

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by representing

One last thing, one of the two or three the referees on the court must "witness" the unconsciousness of a player. If none of them sees it, then the player got away with it. Happened to my sister, she was knocked unconscious after hitting her head hard on the floor when she fell during one game, but was out for only a few seconds. Neither referee at that game saw it before running to where she was laying. She got lucky with that one and was back in the game a few minutes later.

Originally Posted by representing

THIS is what I meant. Determined apparently unconscious. Who shall be the determiner? the referees. I didn't say anything about witnessing the player to be unconscious or the play that caused the player to be rendered unconscious. I only said that the officials have to be there to see the player be unconscious in order to rule that he/she may not play without written authorization by a doctor.

Misunderstood you the first time, I thought you were saying they had to see the action that caused it - my bad. But given your second post now you are incorrect.

The player doesn't have to be unconscious when the officials get to the player. As you pointed out it says "determined apparently unconscious". Therefore, if the player is showing signs or symptoms of being unconscious then they are done until written authorization. They don't have to be knocked out and not responding when you get to the player.

So in your case, just because the officials didn't get to her while she was knocked out they still could have said she was determined apparently unconscious by signs or symptoms and not allowed her to play until she got written authorization.

[representing]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Misunderstood you the first time, I thought you were saying they had to see the action that caused it - my bad. But given your second post now you are incorrect.

The player doesn't have to be unconscious when the officials get to the player. As you pointed out it says "determined apparently unconscious". Therefore, if the player is showing signs or symptoms of being unconscious then they are done until written authorization. They don't have to be knocked out and not responding when you get to the player.

So in your case, just because the officials didn't get to her while she was knocked out they still could have said she was determined apparently unconscious by signs or symptoms and not allowed her to play until she got written authorization.

Good point. Now that you say that... but how would you explain that to the coach? "well, she's not feeling well, she's dizzy, etc.". Coach could just argue that the player did just hit her head and it could be a minor concussion. For me, it would be a much better argument had you seen the player actually unconscious with your own eyes (or partner's eyes seeing it).

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by representing

Good point. Now that you say that... but how would you explain that to the coach? "well, she's not feeling well, she's dizzy, etc.". Coach could just argue that the player did just hit her head and it could be a minor concussion. For me, it would be a much better argument had you seen the player actually unconscious with your own eyes (or partner's eyes seeing it).

Good question.

If the coach's arguement was that it was a minor concussion the converstation would be over pretty quick as the point would have been proven. Major or minor isn't a factor.

However, if the coach argues the player is just dizzy, etc... I would just tell the coach that I am siding on safety. They should hopefully understand that and if they don't then that's too bad. No note, no play.

[representing]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Good question.

If the coach's arguement was that it was a minor concussion the converstation would be over pretty quick as the point would have been proven. Major or minor isn't a factor.

However, if the coach argues the player is just dizzy, etc... I would just tell the coach that I am siding on safety. They should hopefully understand that and if they don't then that's too bad. No note, no play.

That coach just better hope one of his/her player is the son/daughter of a doctor then, haha.

All good points. Thanks.