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mutantducky Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:31pm

injury Ft question
 
"Nowitzki shot two free throws left-handed immediately after the play. By taking the free throws -- Nowitzki made 1 of 2 -- he remained eligible to return to the game."
Houston Rockets forward Carl Landry breaks five teeth in collision - ESPN

Is there such a rule in HS or college? Me personally, if a player can't take the FTs because he is injured but can return later that would be fine. Maybe some 4th quarter restrictions.

tjones1 Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:20pm

A player that has to be subbed due to injury, by rule, may return after the clock has properly started (just like any other sub).

justacoach Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:09am

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 644259)
A player that has to be subbed due to injury, by rule, may return after the clock has properly started (just like any other sub).

Except for being unconscious...
PLEASE NOTE NEWBS:
You will see this injured FT shooter situation handled different from above rules citation outside of FED rules set...

tjones1 Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:35am

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 644263)
Except for being unconscious...
PLEASE NOTE NEWBS:
You will see this injured FT shooter situation handled different from above rules citation outside of FED rules set...

They can come back too... but they gotta have the Doc's ok.

BillyMac Sun Dec 20, 2009 08:33am

Aren't They Required By Some State High School Associations ???
 
Don't these guys where mouth guards? Basketball is a contact sport. I wear mine during pickup games. They protect not just the teeth, but the lips, cheeks, and tongue. They also help protect against concussions and jaw fractures.

BillyMac Sun Dec 20, 2009 08:35am

Dr. No Doesn't Count ...
 
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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 644266)
They can come back too... but they gotta have the Doc's ok.

I believe, in writing.

ref3808 Sun Dec 20, 2009 09:22am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644280)
Don't these guys where mouth guards? Basketball is a contact sport. I wear mine during pickup games. They protect not just the teeth, but the lips, cheeks, and tongue. They also help protect against concussions and jaw fractures.

In MA the MIAA has gone from mandating mouth guards for basketball to only recommending their use. My daughter played in high school when they first mandated mouth guards and while there was a level of protection, I also witnessed kids who put a mouth guard directly into their mouths after dropping it on the court, kids taking it out during time outs or stoppages or before free throws then handling the ball or touching the hands of a teammate, and of less importance medically, kids trying to talk on defense and having it sound like a unique language.

APG Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:31am

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Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 644256)
"Nowitzki shot two free throws left-handed immediately after the play. By taking the free throws -- Nowitzki made 1 of 2 -- he remained eligible to return to the game."
Houston Rockets forward Carl Landry breaks five teeth in collision - ESPN

Is there such a rule in HS or college? Me personally, if a player can't take the FTs because he is injured but can return later that would be fine. Maybe some 4th quarter restrictions.

Under NBA rules a player is not allowed back in the game if they must shoot free throws and can not unless the foul was unsportsmanlike. Under NFHS and NCAA no restrictions are in place.

BillyMac Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:38am

Fool Me Once, Twice, Three Times, I'm Not Very Bright ...
 
According to the ESPN link, Carl Landry has lost five teeth, on three occasions, playing NBA basketball. You would think that he would learn to use a mouth guard after losing the first tooth. That's what did it for me.

representing Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644281)
I believe, in writing.

and it cannot be the trainer's ok. Has to be an MD.

tjones1 Sun Dec 20, 2009 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644281)
I believe, in writing.

You are correct. Must be written authorization.

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 644304)
and it cannot be the trainer's ok. Has to be an MD.

Correct. MD/DO

3-3-8

representing Sun Dec 20, 2009 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 644333)
You are correct. Must be written authorization.



Correct. MD/DO

3-3-8

One last thing, one of the two or three the referees on the court must "witness" the unconsciousness of a player. If none of them sees it, then the player got away with it. Happened to my sister, she was knocked unconscious after hitting her head hard on the floor when she fell during one game, but was out for only a few seconds. Neither referee at that game saw it before running to where she was laying. She got lucky with that one and was back in the game a few minutes later.

sseltser Sun Dec 20, 2009 03:49pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 644353)
One last thing, one of the two or three the referees on the court must "witness" the unconsciousness of a player. If none of them sees it, then the player got away with it. Happened to my sister, she was knocked unconscious after hitting her head hard on the floor when she fell during one game, but was out for only a few seconds. Neither referee at that game saw it before running to where she was laying. She got lucky with that one and was back in the game a few minutes later.

Perhaps you are misunderstanding that the purpose of the rule is for player safety. Your sister probably should have seen a doctor that day. Having sustained a concussion and continued playing in a soccer game, it was not good for me or my team for me to stay in the game that day, and I wish I was evaluated by a better trainer or doctor during that game.

tjones1 Sun Dec 20, 2009 04:09pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 644353)
One last thing, one of the two or three the referees on the court must "witness" the unconsciousness of a player. If none of them sees it, then the player got away with it. Happened to my sister, she was knocked unconscious after hitting her head hard on the floor when she fell during one game, but was out for only a few seconds. Neither referee at that game saw it before running to where she was laying. She got lucky with that one and was back in the game a few minutes later.

Incorrect. The officials do not have to "witness" the action that caused the player to become apparently unconscious. Although, I would hope they would...

All 3-3-8 says is the following:

A player who has been determined apparently unconscious shall not return to play in the game without written authorization from a physician (MD/DO).

It says nothing about seeing the action that caused the player to be unconscious. Regardless of what happens, if the officials deem a player to have been apparently unconscious they are done for the day unless they get written authorization from a physician.

representing Sun Dec 20, 2009 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 644355)
Incorrect. The officials do not have to "witness" the action that caused the player to become apparently unconscious. Although, I would hope they would...

All 3-3-8 says is the following:

A player who has been determined apparently unconscious shall not return to play in the game without written authorization from a physician (MD/DO).

It says nothing about seeing the action that caused the player to be unconscious. Regardless of what happens, if the officials deem a player to have been apparently unconscious they are done for the day unless they get written authorization from a physician.

THIS is what I meant. Determined apparently unconscious. Who shall be the determiner? the referees. I didn't say anything about witnessing the player to be unconscious or the play that caused the player to be rendered unconscious. I only said that the officials have to be there to see the player be unconscious in order to rule that he/she may not play without written authorization by a doctor.


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