King for a day

[j51969]

Jokes aside. If you could make "one" change to the game either a rule, or something else concerning timing (whatever your the king). Maybe even goning back to a previous rule. I personnally would like two halfs instead of quarters. I think that some states do that now(east coast?). What do you think?

[Adam]

I don't think the halves verses quarters issue is all that important either way. While I'd like to see the change, there are others I'd prefer to see if I had to choose.

My number one desired change: Coaches can only request timeout during a dead ball (including after a made basket, when we can spare a moment to glance.) All live ball TO's must be requested by a player on the team in control.

[Raymond]

If a team who did not receive merited free throws scores a field goal before the error is noticed then the correctable period will be deemed to have expired and free throws cannot now be awarded.

[bas2456]

I'd like to see NFHS mirror the NCAA and allow players into the lane on the release of a free throw, rather than waiting for the rim.

Is that actually in the NCAA rules? Or is that one of those things that nobody enforces?

[BillyMac]

No jump balls to start the game or the overtime period. Toss a coin, or let the visitors have the ball first.

Second choice: Don't allow coaches to request timeouts during live balls. Only allow the players to request timeouts when the ball is live.

“It’s good to be the king” (Mel Brooks as Louis XVI of France)

[Thumper68]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't think the halves verses quarters issue is all that important either way. While I'd like to see the change, there are others I'd prefer to see if I had to choose.

My number one desired change: Coaches can only request timeout during a dead ball (including after a made basket, when we can spare a moment to glance.) All live ball TO's must be requested by a player on the team in control.

What was the reasoning behind changing this? I don't really like that ascept of it either. It is also changed in football. Can the players not be trusted to call the timeout at the proper time? If not, how will they learn?

To the OP,
I am not big fan of the huddle/high five @ the free throw line after a FTA.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'd like to see NFHS mirror the NCAA and allow players into the lane on the release of a free throw, rather than waiting for the rim.

Is that actually in the NCAA rules? Or is that one of those things that nobody enforces?

It's in the rules; just like it was in the NFHS rules way back when I played (ca. 1990). The restrictions end on the release; except for the players not along the lane and the shooter, for whom the restrictions end when the ball hits either the backboard or the rim.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No jump balls to start the game or the overtime period. Toss a coin, or let the visitors have the ball first.

Why?

[Reffing Rev.]

I personally think the players in the lane on the release is LESS rough than on the rim, and now with the players up a spot should be revisited.

I will never understand what people have against quarters in high school basketball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I'd like to see NFHS mirror the NCAA and allow players into the lane on the release of a free throw, rather than waiting for the rim.

Is that actually in the NCAA rules? Or is that one of those things that nobody enforces?

Section 1. Free Throw

Art. 2. After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free-thrower:
...
d. The free-thrower shall not enter the semicircle. The free-thrower shall not leave the semicircle before the try contacts the ring, backboard or when the free throw ends.
e. No player shall enter or leave a marked lane space or contact any part of the court outside the marked lane space until the free-thrower has released the ball.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I personally think the players in the lane on the release is LESS rough than on the rim, and now with the players up a spot should be revisited.

I will never understand what people have against quarters in high school basketball.

It's not a huge deal. I think it would add to the natural flow of the game. The coaches have plenty of time-outs to adjust to things as needed. Does anyone currently have that in place in there state? If so, what are your opinions?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why?

From a thread from two months ago:

I go back to before the alternating possession arrow, when we had jump balls to start each period, for each held ball situation, and even for closely guarded situations, at three different circles on the court, with a lot of different players involved. Back then, because we had so many jump balls, coaches actually had jump ball plays, depending on which circle, and the probability of winning, or losing the tap. These coaches knew the various rules regarding jump balls, and taught these rules to their players. Officials, again, because there were so many jump balls, knew all the jump ball rules like the back of their hand, and good officials actually spent time practicing tosses by tossing the ball up through a basket from below, usually before preseason scrimmages. Now that we have only one jump ball a game, plus overtimes, coaches don't really know the rules, and since they don't know the rules, their players don't know the rules. It’s the same with officials. Now that we have only one jump ball a game, plus overtimes, officials, myself included, don't know the various jump ball rules as well now as we did before the advent of alternating possessions. And these rules aren't easy to understand, especially when you have to apply them in a split second, and only get the opportunity to apply them a few dozen times each season, half the time as the tosser, and the other half of the time as the official observing the jump ball. Jumpers, players on the circle, players off the circle. Official ready to toss, official tosses, ball is tapped. Open spots on the circle, filled spots on the circle. Moving onto the circle, moving off of the circle. Today, it seems like the two tallest kids get to jump, a few shorter kids match up on the circle, and a few more match up off the circle. The official throws up the toss, not with the same skill that I saw many years ago, and the other official stands back and hopes that nothing "odd", or "weird", happens, that is, "odd enough”, or "weird enough”, to be immediately recognized as a violation. Over the past 100 years, we’ve gone from jump balls after every basket; to jump balls to start each period, for each held ball situation, and for closely guarded situations, at three different circles on the court; to a single jump ball at the center circle to start the game, plus overtimes, with alternating possessions after that. I think that the next logical progression is to start the game with a coin toss, like they do in soccer, football, and probably a few other sports. Or let the visitors get to go on offense first, like in baseball, or softball.

[BillyMac]

Coaches should not be allowed to request timeouts during live ball situations. Over the past several years there have been a few points of emphasis regarding coaches calling timeouts during live ball situations, but this hasn’t made the enforcement of this rule any easier. A common situation is where a player is trapped along a boundary, often in a corner, is about to turnover the ball, or is about to be caught in a held ball situation, or is about to commit a five second violation, and the coach requests a timeout to maintain possession of the ball. As officials, we’re watching for fouls, traveling, boundary lines, counting five seconds, etc., a very difficult situation to begin with, and now we hear, usually from behind us, “time out”. We have to make sure that the request came from the head coach, not an assistant coach, or from a parent sitting behind the team bench, and check to make sure that the ball is being held, or dribbled, by a player from that head coach’s team, before we grant the request. Either go back to the old rule only allowing players holding, or dribbling, the ball to request a timeout, or only allow coaches to request timeouts during dead ball situations, including during the dead ball period immediately after a made basket.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Coaches should not be allowed to request timeouts during live ball situations. Over the past several years there have been a few points of emphasis regarding coaches calling timeouts during live ball situations, but this hasn’t made the enforcement of this rule any easier. A common situation is where a player is trapped along a boundary, often in a corner, is about to turnover the ball, or is about to be caught in a held ball situation, or is about to commit a five second violation, and the coach requests a timeout to maintain possession of the ball. As officials, we’re watching for fouls, traveling, boundary lines, counting five seconds, etc., a very difficult situation to begin with, and now we hear, usually from behind us, “time out”. We have to make sure that the request came from the head coach, not an assistant coach, or from a parent sitting behind the team bench, and check to make sure that the ball is being held, or dribbled, by a player from that head coach’s team, before we grant the request. Either go back to the old rule only allowing players holding, or dribbling, the ball to request a timeout, or only allow coaches to request timeouts during dead ball situations, including during the dead ball period immediately after a made basket.

I think a big part of the problem is situational awareness. We had one situation last night where a coach was right in front of the L going down the floor asking for a timeout at a logical time and the L didn't notice it. I caught it first from the C opposite the table -- I was looking for it. You can't always know when someone is going to request a timeout, but you should have an idea. Good official, too, just didn't hear the coach. I was looking across for it.

I'm on the opposite side here. I'd hate to know a coach wanted a timeout and have to wait until he/she got the player's attention in order to grant it. I remember those days. Now is better.

Eliminate all live ball timeouts? I'd go for that.

We have 16-minute halves as an option in non-conference games this season. No incentive for the coaches, really. It costs them 2 free 60-second timeouts. If we'd given them each an extra 30-second timeout or required a "media timeout" in each half at the first dead ball under 8 minutes, we'd see more teams try it out, I think. I'd like this -- 2 less last second shot possibilities and two less AP situations.

[constable]

Getting rid of jump balls period? Not a fan of that idea at all. One jump ball a game ( not counting any overtime or a re-toss) shouldn't really be an issue. There is nothing wrong with a jump ball to start the game and overtimes.

I had my first game that didn't start with a jump ball in a long time yesterday- kid in a JV game dunked ( twice, first one he was spoken too) in the warm up- that's a silly rule. I know others disagree with me.

Another rule I know others disagree with me on is seeing an player disqualified for a flagrant foul have to leave the bench and goto the dressing room.

The ability for teams to mutually agree on the colour of their uniforms ( home in dark, away in white) seems only natural to me.

I prefer people being able to enter the lane on release of the ball, but I believe NHFS changed that about 10 years ago or so to clean up rough play.

OH YA- shot clocks. Shot clocks make for such a better game. In going from FIBA with a 24 second shot clock to Fed with an 4 8 minute shot clocks, it is such a better game.

So if I could change only one rule, it would be the implementation of shot clocks for all high school and up games.