King for a day

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From a thread from two months ago:

I go back to before the alternating possession arrow, when we had jump balls to start each period, for each held ball situation, and even for closely guarded situations, at three different circles on the court, with a lot of different players involved. Back then, because we had so many jump balls, coaches actually had jump ball plays, depending on which circle, and the probability of winning, or losing the tap. These coaches knew the various rules regarding jump balls, and taught these rules to their players. Officials, again, because there were so many jump balls, knew all the jump ball rules like the back of their hand, and good officials actually spent time practicing tosses by tossing the ball up through a basket from below, usually before preseason scrimmages. Now that we have only one jump ball a game, plus overtimes, coaches don't really know the rules, and since they don't know the rules, their players don't know the rules. It’s the same with officials. Now that we have only one jump ball a game, plus overtimes, officials, myself included, don't know the various jump ball rules as well now as we did before the advent of alternating possessions. And these rules aren't easy to understand, especially when you have to apply them in a split second, and only get the opportunity to apply them a few dozen times each season, half the time as the tosser, and the other half of the time as the official observing the jump ball. Jumpers, players on the circle, players off the circle. Official ready to toss, official tosses, ball is tapped. Open spots on the circle, filled spots on the circle. Moving onto the circle, moving off of the circle. Today, it seems like the two tallest kids get to jump, a few shorter kids match up on the circle, and a few more match up off the circle. The official throws up the toss, not with the same skill that I saw many years ago, and the other official stands back and hopes that nothing "odd", or "weird", happens, that is, "odd enough”, or "weird enough”, to be immediately recognized as a violation. Over the past 100 years, we’ve gone from jump balls after every basket; to jump balls to start each period, for each held ball situation, and for closely guarded situations, at three different circles on the court; to a single jump ball at the center circle to start the game, plus overtimes, with alternating possessions after that. I think that the next logical progression is to start the game with a coin toss, like they do in soccer, football, and probably a few other sports. Or let the visitors get to go on offense first, like in baseball, or softball.

Well I disagree with your logic. I don't find the jump ball rules that hard to digest and understand. We typically have a jump ball every game, so these rules should be thought about every game and will be fresh. Now the correctable error rule, which we rarely ever have to actually implement, is infintely more complicated in my opinion. Jump ball rules are simple compared to correctable errors.

[SmokeEater]

It's interesting to read all of the posts and desired changes in this thread. Most I think mirror in concept what FIBA rules enforces.

So if I had to be King for a day I would liek to have all levels of basketball in every part of the world play with the same rules set, (i really don't care which one), just get some uniformity and don't make any modifications to them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

One jump ball a game shouldn't really be an issue.

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't find the jump ball rules that hard to digest and understand. We typically have a jump ball every game, so these rules should be thought about every game and will be fresh.

constable and Smitty: You guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, but just for kicks, and please don't cheat by looking it up, give me all the rules about a jump ball, and do it as fast as you can type. Now don't forget to include rules for jumpers, nonjumpers, players on the circle, players off the circle, official ready to toss, official tosses, ball is tapped, open spots on the circle, filled spots on the circle, moving onto the circle, moving off of the circle. I'll even give you a hint, nonjumpers on the circle can move off the circle at any time. Now it's your turn. Ready. Set. Go.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by j51969

Jokes aside. If you could make "one" change to the game either a rule, or something else concerning timing (whatever your the king). Maybe even goning back to a previous rule. I personnally would like two halfs instead of quarters. I think that some states do that now(east coast?). What do you think?

MN does halves. It's great.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

MN does halves. It's great.

So did the game fees go up when you were forced to work 4:00 more per game?

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

So did the game fees go up when you were forced to work 4:00 more per game?

I don't think so. Personally it never even crossed my mind. I don't remember even hearing any serious talk about increasing game fees at the time. The resistance to 3 person in some areas was enough to keep us from pushing for more money.

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

MN does halves. It's great.

As a coach, I don't think it's great at all. It's important to understand the HUGE range between levels of experience and ability in high school ball. If we're to be teaching as coaches, and we have very inexperienced teams (as I do right now), it's incredibly valuable to have those two extra "full time-outs" that come from the quarter breaks.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by JoeT

As a coach, I don't think it's great at all. It's important to understand the HUGE range between levels of experience and ability in high school ball. If we're to be teaching as coaches, and we have very inexperienced teams (as I do right now), it's incredibly valuable to have those two extra "full time-outs" that come from the quarter breaks.

I honestly don't know what you can teach a teenager to due in two min. However, I would love to know your secret as I have two teenagers in my home. We need all the help we can get!! I am sure the faculty at your local institutions of higher learning would love this method as well.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by j51969

I honestly don't know what you can teach a teenager to due in two min. However, I would love to know your secret as I have two teenagers in my home. We need all the help we can get!! I am sure the faculty at your local institutions of higher learning would love this method as well.

What do you mean? Time-outs having been a parenting tool for a while now.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What do you mean? Time-outs having been a parenting tool for a while now.

Not in my house.
Warn once, then whack.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What do you mean? Time-outs having been a parenting tool for a while now.

Once they can drive good luck!

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by j51969

I honestly don't know what you can teach a teenager to due in two min....

Not much, but more than I can in zero minutes. Mostly, I can calm them down and help them focus on one key point to improve.

[Adam]

Sorry, I've been trying to channel my inner Jurassic. Padgett's ghost got in the way.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am getting ready to go to work right now but you can bet your sweet bippy that tomorrow I will have a lot to say on this thread.

MTD, Sr.

[jkumpire]

The introduction of the FED book would say:

"The game of basketball is to be played by teams of up to 10 players per side. In any scholastic basketball contest, the only people allowed in the playing facility are the players for each team, a scoreboard operator, two scorekeepers, three officials, one school administrator, and one trainer. When a player fouls out or is ejected from the game, he or she is to be escorted from the playing area by an administrator to his or her team's locker room.

All fans are to be seated in a room on the other side of the school where their loud and obnoxious behavior and attitudes can be shared among themselves. Home fans will watch the game on TV from a large room, visiting fans will watch the game on TV from a smaller room, wth a wall between the two sets of fans.

There shall be a limit of one head coach and one assistant coach per team. Coaches will have to sit in the locker rooms, and will only be allowed to communicate with their teams in the locker room before the start of the game and at halftime. They will watch the game on TV in their team's locker room and cannot communicate with either team during play in the game."