Jewelry rule causes yelling

[chseagle]

I had a similar situation last year for a Girls' C-Squad game, only it was metal bobbie pins & butterfly clips in the hair. She went through warmups and nothing was said. It wasn't till she came to the table to sub-in, that I noticed it, buzzed the floor officials about it & they gave the coach a warning about not following uniform rules/regulations.

How I understand the rules/regulations, only prewrap, scrunchies, headbands, or hairbands are to be used for hair control. (nothing metal in the hair).

The player went back to the bench, with the coach complaining she'd been allowed to play like that all season until then. The coach put tape over every piece of exposed metal object that couldn't be removed & she was allowed to played after that.

[chartrusepengui]

I hate that they allowed VB players to wear 2 inch bobby pins this year. I've gotten the look and the whine several times this. I've been told I have not kept up with the rules because this year "you can wear bobby pins in your hair". (like, where else would you wear them?) They know it's the rule now because "the volleyball officials told them it was new and it was ok."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I had a similar situation last year for a Girls' C-Squad game, only it was metal bobbie pins & butterfly clips in the hair. She went through warmups and nothing was said. It wasn't till she came to the table to sub-in, that I noticed it, buzzed the floor officials about it & they gave the coach a warning about not following uniform rules/regulations.

How I understand the rules/regulations, only prewrap, scrunchies, headbands, or hairbands are to be used for hair control. (nothing metal in the hair).

The player went back to the bench, with the coach complaining she'd been allowed to play like that all season until then. The coach put tape over every piece of exposed metal object that couldn't be removed & she was allowed to played after that.

1) Not your job.

2) Taping over it doesn't make it legal.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) Not your job.

2) Taping over it doesn't make it legal.

Actually, Most, if not all, the floor officials I've worked with have appreciated the fact that I've kept myself up to date on uniform regulations & catching things that wouldn't of been caught otherwise.

I've done the same thing during dead ball situations where a player is on the floor with the jersey untucked.

Everyone's human & the small things do get missed when there's a lot of action going on. It wouldn't surprise me much if when on the floor, every floor official has, at least once, not noticed a uniform untucked or not to code.

The situation I mentioned happens maybe once every 50-100 games. It's not something that happens all the time. I cannot help if I'm that observant. During that situation, the floor officials were very thankful that I saw that.

Doesn't it help if a person gives friendly reminders for what to look for?

[Ignats75]

Are You turning in the other team? Because that can make you look adversarial.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Are You turning in the other team? Because that can make you look adversarial.

When I'm doing scoreboard/timer, I'm neutral, I'll report either team if I see an infraction.

Last year, I almost got my alma mater an administrative technical due to the person doing scorebook had their friends sitting with them & distracting them from their duties. (They got a warning, & other event personnel came to the table asking those not working the table to leave the area)

I have told the floor officials that I've worked with, that although I may be at volunteering at my alma mater, I am neutral & will report what I've seen if it doesn't correspond to rules/regulations no matter who the team. They appreciate that

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by chseagle

When I'm doing scoreboard/timer, I'm neutral, I'll report either team if I see an infraction.
I have told the floor officials that I've worked with, that although I may be at volunteering at my alma mater, I am neutral & will report what I've seen if it doesn't correspond to rules/regulations no matter who the team. They appreciate that

A couple weeks back at our varsity (home) tournamant, during our home team's game, while the opponent is in possession of the ball, I hear someone over at the scorers table counting out loudly, "seven, six, five, four, three,..." as the shot clock counts down. I look over there, and it's the frikin official scorer! WTF?!?!?

Our guy has been doing this job for us a long time, and never heard that out of him before. Someone might have said something to him, as he didn't do it again. I know the guy. We're actually lucky to have him. He's kind of slow, but is very meticulous and takes his job very seriously. He's actually perfect for the job because he seems to feel it's the most important task on the planet. And to him, I suppose it is.

SOrt of off topic I guess. I'm just glad he doesn't look for other things like bobbie pins, untucked jerseys, bra straps, etc. that would be obnoxious

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

A couple weeks back at our varsity (home) tournamant, during our home team's game, while the opponent is in possession of the ball, I hear someone over at the scorers table counting out loudly, "seven, six, five, four, three,..." as the shot clock counts down. I look over there, and it's the frikin official scorer! WTF?!?!?

Our guy has been doing this job for us a long time, and never heard that out of him before. Someone might have said something to him, as he didn't do it again. I know the guy. We're actually lucky to have him. He's kind of slow, but is very meticulous and takes his job very seriously. He's actually perfect for the job because he seems to feel it's the most important task on the planet. And to him, I suppose it is.

SOrt of off topic I guess. I'm just glad he doesn't look for other things like bobbie pins, untucked jerseys, bra straps, etc. that would be obnoxious

Like I have mentioned in previous posts, I am getting more & more into doing the "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to anything uniform related. Only if I deem it a safety hazard anymore do I say anything. The incident with the bobbie pins in the hair, the floor officials were glad that I did see that & report it.

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I've done the same thing during dead ball situations where a player is on the floor with the jersey untucked.

And what exactly is it that you do in this situation?

You say you have read the rule book. Have you read Rule 2 thoroughly?

[grunewar]

CHS - While I understand what you're doing and how you're trying to do it, I'm not so sure I want an OOS (Overly Officious Scorekeeper) working the table.....

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

CHS - While I understand what you're doing and how you're trying to do it, I'm not so sure I want an OOS (Overly Officious Scorekeeper) working the table.....

I'm training myself not to do things like this all the time. I only do it when it looks to be a safety risk to those on the floor, or it's clearly visible. I believe in the "Out of sight. out of mind", so if it'd hardly noticeable I don't worry about it.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by grunewar

CHS - While I understand what you're doing and how you're trying to do it, I'm not so sure I want an OOS (Overly Officious Scorekeeper) working the table.....

*nods* The most I'll do at the table is remind officials of the league and level-specific no-press rules and the mandatory sub rules when they take effect. I may also have them talk to coaches if the coaches are out of their box and obstructing my view, but I don't have the desire -- or time -- to pick boogers.

[Ignats75]

Wannaree. n wa na REE.
1. A civilian who wants to be a referee without putting their butt on the line.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And what exactly is it that you do in this situation?

You say you have read the rule book. Have you read Rule 2 thoroughly?

The rules I use are those listed off the NFHS Site for public viewing, as well as the Online Rules Clinic on the WIAA Site that's for public viewing.

When I let the floor officials know of the uniform or other thing I notice, I wait until a dead ball or a reporting occurs. If that player is subbed for, I let the book know that their coach needs to let that player know of their jersey. I wish I had access to the case book & rule book, unfortunately I do not.

[Ignats75]

You keep time. Stop the clock when I blow my whistle and start it when I chop. That's your job. Mine is to officiate the game. Never the twain shall meet. I'm not sure the coaches would view you any differently than a fan screaming from the stands.