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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:11pm
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1) Not your job.

2) Taping over it doesn't make it legal.
Actually, Most, if not all, the floor officials I've worked with have appreciated the fact that I've kept myself up to date on uniform regulations & catching things that wouldn't of been caught otherwise.

I've done the same thing during dead ball situations where a player is on the floor with the jersey untucked.

Everyone's human & the small things do get missed when there's a lot of action going on. It wouldn't surprise me much if when on the floor, every floor official has, at least once, not noticed a uniform untucked or not to code.

The situation I mentioned happens maybe once every 50-100 games. It's not something that happens all the time. I cannot help if I'm that observant. During that situation, the floor officials were very thankful that I saw that.

Doesn't it help if a person gives friendly reminders for what to look for?
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:14pm
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Are You turning in the other team? Because that can make you look adversarial.
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:28pm
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Are You turning in the other team? Because that can make you look adversarial.
When I'm doing scoreboard/timer, I'm neutral, I'll report either team if I see an infraction.

Last year, I almost got my alma mater an administrative technical due to the person doing scorebook had their friends sitting with them & distracting them from their duties. (They got a warning, & other event personnel came to the table asking those not working the table to leave the area)

I have told the floor officials that I've worked with, that although I may be at volunteering at my alma mater, I am neutral & will report what I've seen if it doesn't correspond to rules/regulations no matter who the team. They appreciate that
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 02:44am
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When I'm doing scoreboard/timer, I'm neutral, I'll report either team if I see an infraction.
I have told the floor officials that I've worked with, that although I may be at volunteering at my alma mater, I am neutral & will report what I've seen if it doesn't correspond to rules/regulations no matter who the team. They appreciate that
A couple weeks back at our varsity (home) tournamant, during our home team's game, while the opponent is in possession of the ball, I hear someone over at the scorers table counting out loudly, "seven, six, five, four, three,..." as the shot clock counts down. I look over there, and it's the frikin official scorer! WTF?!?!?

Our guy has been doing this job for us a long time, and never heard that out of him before. Someone might have said something to him, as he didn't do it again. I know the guy. We're actually lucky to have him. He's kind of slow, but is very meticulous and takes his job very seriously. He's actually perfect for the job because he seems to feel it's the most important task on the planet. And to him, I suppose it is.

SOrt of off topic I guess. I'm just glad he doesn't look for other things like bobbie pins, untucked jerseys, bra straps, etc. that would be obnoxious
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 03:45am
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A couple weeks back at our varsity (home) tournamant, during our home team's game, while the opponent is in possession of the ball, I hear someone over at the scorers table counting out loudly, "seven, six, five, four, three,..." as the shot clock counts down. I look over there, and it's the frikin official scorer! WTF?!?!?

Our guy has been doing this job for us a long time, and never heard that out of him before. Someone might have said something to him, as he didn't do it again. I know the guy. We're actually lucky to have him. He's kind of slow, but is very meticulous and takes his job very seriously. He's actually perfect for the job because he seems to feel it's the most important task on the planet. And to him, I suppose it is.

SOrt of off topic I guess. I'm just glad he doesn't look for other things like bobbie pins, untucked jerseys, bra straps, etc. that would be obnoxious
Like I have mentioned in previous posts, I am getting more & more into doing the "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to anything uniform related. Only if I deem it a safety hazard anymore do I say anything. The incident with the bobbie pins in the hair, the floor officials were glad that I did see that & report it.

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 04:03am
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Like I have mentioned in previous posts, I am getting more & more into doing the "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to anything uniform related. Only if I deem it a safety hazard anymore do I say anything. The incident with the bobbie pins in the hair, the floor officials were glad that I did see that & report it.

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.
It's not your job to deem it anything. Quit worrying about it.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 09:20am
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He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.
He might HAVE been doing it for that reason, but he shoudn't HAVE been doing it for that reason. He must HAVE been confused about his role.

He could HAVE been doing it if the shot clock wasn't working and he was doing it for both teams and with prior arrangement with the teams and the officials.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 09:46am
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He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.

1) Why does it matter if the officials know how much time is left?

2) How does he know whether or not the officials knew how much time is left?
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 10:53am
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Girls JV game last night, lining up for the free throw. All of a sudden, ref throws a T. I thought it was a girl making comments about the foul call. But nope, turns out one girl had a barrett (sp?) in. I've never seen that get T'd, seems happen about once a game JV, once every 3 games V, but usually they just stop play and tell them to take it out.

Anyone ever T'd over a bobby pin/barrett?
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:40pm
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I've done the same thing during dead ball situations where a player is on the floor with the jersey untucked.


And what exactly is it that you do in this situation?

You say you have read the rule book. Have you read Rule 2 thoroughly?
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:45pm
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CHS - While I understand what you're doing and how you're trying to do it, I'm not so sure I want an OOS (Overly Officious Scorekeeper) working the table.....
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:57pm
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CHS - While I understand what you're doing and how you're trying to do it, I'm not so sure I want an OOS (Overly Officious Scorekeeper) working the table.....
I'm training myself not to do things like this all the time. I only do it when it looks to be a safety risk to those on the floor, or it's clearly visible. I believe in the "Out of sight. out of mind", so if it'd hardly noticeable I don't worry about it.
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Old Sun Dec 13, 2009, 12:32am
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CHS - While I understand what you're doing and how you're trying to do it, I'm not so sure I want an OOS (Overly Officious Scorekeeper) working the table.....
*nods* The most I'll do at the table is remind officials of the league and level-specific no-press rules and the mandatory sub rules when they take effect. I may also have them talk to coaches if the coaches are out of their box and obstructing my view, but I don't have the desire -- or time -- to pick boogers.
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:46pm
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Old Tue Dec 08, 2009, 04:48pm
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And what exactly is it that you do in this situation?

You say you have read the rule book. Have you read Rule 2 thoroughly?
The rules I use are those listed off the NFHS Site for public viewing, as well as the Online Rules Clinic on the WIAA Site that's for public viewing.

When I let the floor officials know of the uniform or other thing I notice, I wait until a dead ball or a reporting occurs. If that player is subbed for, I let the book know that their coach needs to let that player know of their jersey. I wish I had access to the case book & rule book, unfortunately I do not.
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