trail calls in the paint

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are obviously caught up in the coverage area and not concerned about what you can see from where you are looking.


What if the Lead never rotates to the other side of the court?

Why would you find a new partner, because they use the proscribed mechanic?

Do you even bother to read and try to comprehend what someone says or are you just naturally antagonistic? This whole thread is about PCA's and it's not about 3-man which is very different than 2-man. Isn't there an ignore button on here?

Originally Posted by rsl

At a recent camp I had the following situation. A1 throws a lob pass to A2 in the lane, and A2 has inside position on B2. A2 and B2 are standing five feet away from lead. As trail, I close to almost foul line extended because all the of the action is in the paint. I see a B2 foul A2 on lead's blind side, with significant contact but not a train wreck. I wait, there is no call from lead, so I whistle.

That blindside in the paint on a 2 person game is tough. There's no C so who else is available to do the right thing?
Maybe wait a bit longer, perhaps the L was waiting to see if it fell in. Sometimes contact may be there, but it doesn't warrant an And1 or the L could've been giving A2 a chance to finish the play vs. the "nice try but take it out & start all over again" routine. Timing of the whistle on plays to the basket is crucial! Your L could've been thinking along those lines.

Originally Posted by rsl

At the next break, lead (an experienced ref on our local board) tells me he saw the contact but was waiting for the shot, which A1 was certainly going to take any second. He then told me never whistle something right in front of your partner. Good advice.

Never say never
I had a closely guarded count in a camp setting, from my area C to the T area, I continued my count & saw an illegal screen right in front of the T near the dribbler. I made the call, because the T recognized I had a count & their body language & eyes told me they were officiating elsewhere.
It was clear across the court, thank God I remembered to close & had a reason to be looking there in the first place.

Originally Posted by rsl

When is trail supposed to put two sets of eyes on the key? Never?

If there are no absolutes or always in officiating, how could there be nevers?

In the end, I guess it's who you're working for/with & what you're trying to achieve at that camp.

[fiasco]

If I'm trail I never call anything in the paint. After all, it's not my primary area. If I'm lead and my partner calls something in the paint, boy I'm gonna embarass him somethin' good.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by fiasco

If I'm trail I never call anything in the paint. After all, it's not my primary area. If I'm lead and my partner calls something in the paint, boy I'm gonna embarass him somethin' good.

I'm picking up a hint of sarcasm here.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

I'm picking up a hint of sarcasm here.

"That's good (Tommy Boy) because he is laying it on pretty thick" -- Richard.

[JRutledge]

The paint is usually a dual area for everyone in both 2 person and 3 person mechanics. If we do not require only the lead to call things in 3 person, why would we have the same requirements in 2 person with one less person on the court officiating? This is about understanding the mechanics and officiating to what you need to call or leave alone. There is even a reason why we ask the lead to rotate to the trail's side of the court so they can bet a better angle on certain plays. If the lead never rotates, there are plays in and around the lane they are going to miss and the trail official will have to call. There are times I would call things in the paint in a 2 person game and there are times I would never (Yes I said never) make a call in the paint unless I clearly saw something I believe my partner might have missed or needed help on. We cannot officiating on an internet site where we talk about situations based solely on what some book says, without understanding what the book is actually saying. There is a reason the coverage areas are called "primary coverage areas." There is nothing that says you do not have a secondary coverage area. When you look off ball, you might be looking in the primary of your partner because they are concentrating on the ball. This comes with experience when to call and when not to call these kinds of plays.

Peace

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by fiasco

If I'm trail I never call anything in the paint. After all, it's not my primary area. If I'm lead and my partner calls something in the paint, boy I'm gonna embarass him somethin' good.

Yeah, I'd make his life a living hell for the rest of the game without making myself look bad in the process OR being a bad partner/person OR missing any rules whatsoever in the NFHS manual, unless of course I see fit to.