Throw in question

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I believe that the NFHS doesn't want us to parse the actions. If the defender breaks the plane and contacts the ball in the thrower's hands, no matter how many times he swipes at it, then charge the T.

Take the defender's entire actions collectively and penalize the end result.

I hope you don't mean you'd wait for him to swipe a bunch of times to see if he makes contact before you'd blow your whistle.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

I hope you don't mean you'd wait for him to swipe a bunch of times to see if he makes contact before you'd blow your whistle.

In an NCAA mens game I certainly would because that's the rule.

At the HS level it would matter to me by how much the defender was breaking the boundary plane. If it was trivial, you can bet that I would ignore it. If he took a couple of big swipes which were obviously in violation of the rule, but failed to make contact, then I'm calling a violation.

What I'm not going to do is allow the offending player/team to suffer less of a penalty than deserved by taking a microscopic view of the rule. If he takes a third swing while I'm preparing to sound the whistle and whacks either the player or the ball, then he's getting the more severe penalty for that.

[Texas Aggie]

I have a patient whistle on these things. If the defender accidentally reaches across the line and immediately pulls back, I've got nothing. I'm not saying he has to stay over the line for an hour, but I think the unfair advantage theory works well here -- did the defender disrupt the offensive player by his short stay over the line?

The other good thing about a patient whistle is that if the OP situation occurred, you'd probably have the contact with the ball prior to the whistle, which would make the call easy -- a T.

[BillyMac]

The defender may not break the imaginary plane during a throwin until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass. If the defender breaks the imaginary plane during a throwin before the ball has been released on a throw-in pass, the defender’s team will receive a team warning, or if the team has already been warned for one of the four delay situations, this action would result in a team technical foul. If the defender contacts the ball after breaking the imaginary plane, it is a player technical foul and a team warning will be recorded. If the defender fouls the inbounding player after breaking the imaginary plane, it is an intentional personal foul, and a team warning will be recorded.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

If the defender accidentally reaches across the line and immediately pulls back, I've got nothing.

Please explain how someone could "accidentally" reach across the line. Do you use the same logic (or lack thereof) if someone "accidentally" fouls someone else? What if they "accidentally" push someone into a wall on a breakaway? Do you still have a "patient whistle" to see if they lose consciousness before you blow your whistle?

I don't mean to come across as harsh, but I really don't see using the term "accidentally" here, and I don't see where it matters.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Please explain how someone could "accidentally" reach across the line. Do you use the same logic (or lack thereof) if someone "accidentally" fouls someone else? What if they "accidentally" push someone into a wall on a breakaway? I don't mean to come across as harsh, but I really don't see using the term "accidentally" here, and I don't see where it matters.

One thing that I've learned from this Forum is, "Accidental isn't always incidental". Who first came up with that?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

One thing that I've learned from this Forum is, "Accidental isn't always incidental". Who first came up with that?

I don't know, but it's pure music. I feel a song coming on...

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

One thing that I've learned from this Forum is, "Accidental isn't always incidental". Who first came up with that?

Originally Posted by mbyron

I don't know, but it's pure music. I feel a song coming on...

"The Stairs"

In a room above a busy street
The echoes of a life
The fragments and the accidents
Separated by incidents

Listen to by the walls
We share the same spaces
Repeated in the corridors
Performing the same movements