Jump ball or Travel

[ILMalti]

You see ch1town I see things differently

1) player in air with ball, any rule broken : NO << Fact
2) Is player passing, trying holding : OP ays none << Observation
3) defense comes from behind
4) Any illegal contact : NO << observation
5) Defense touches ball << Fact
6) Held ball rule applies : NO << fact based on rule
7) offense goes to floor with held ball << fact
8) Rule 4.44 applies; travel whistle << Automatic rule

so no judgment in my mind. not for this OP

And I agree with "Making a judgment doesn't always, absolutely, automatically require a whistle." Judgments are made throught the game, but on this OP there is none

Yes every idiot can read the rules, but it does not mean if you read them you understand them. fact


You also are right I am a rookie

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

You see ch1town I see things differently

1) player in air with ball, any rule broken : NO << Fact
2) Is player passing, trying holding : OP says none << Observation
3) defense comes from behind
4) Any illegal contact : NO << observation
5) Defense touches ball << Fact
6) Held ball rule applies : NO << fact based on rule
7) offense goes to floor with held ball << fact
8) Rule 4.44 applies; travel whistle << Automatic rule

so no judgment in my mind. not for this OP

Let me rewrite your list in what it really is. You're misusing the term judgment. Many things on the court are indeed facts but anytime you must make a decision, that is judgment.

Action	Determination	Your term	What it really is
1) player in air with ball, any rule broken	NO	fact	obsrervation/fact
2) Is player passing, trying holding	OP says none	observation	judgement…you are judging/deciding between different possible actions...was the player passing, shooting or holding the ball?
3) defense comes from behind			observation/fact
4) Any illegal contact	NO	observation	If there was clearly no contact, that could be called an observation or fact. If there was contact, you are judging whether it is legal or not legal.
5) Defense touches ball		fact	obsrervation/fact
6) Held ball rule applies	NO	fact based on rule	This is judgment….deciding if a rule applies.
7) offense goes to floor with held ball		fact	fact
8) Rule 4.44 applies; travel whistle		automatic rule	judgement…you are judging whether a rule applies…even if is apparently obvious.