Jump ball or Travel

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

So what made you say travel? the rules as decribed in 4.44 or since the "description of the play " did not apply to held ball?

That is not judgement : that is applying the play to a rule and deciding which rule it applies too.

I call the following observations "graze did to try to shoot" etc which then are put down a decision tree to see which rule to officaite on or not.

Perhaps we are saying the same thing but using the wrong words. Judgment for me means you decide regardless of what rule should apply.

Ok, I'm not even sure what your last sentence means, to be honest. Are you saying you see judgment as determining the call regardless of the rule? I'm sorry, but that's a strawman. No one here would make that claim.

Judgment is determining whether or not the defensive touch actually prevented the ball from being released, or whether it was too light to do have any effect.

Judgment is determining whether or not that defensive contact caused the player with the ball to step on the OOB line, of if it was incidental and he was going to step OOB anyway.

Judgment is determining whether the contact on the shooter was enough to make it more substantially more difficult, or whether it was incidental.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ok, I'm not even sure what your last sentence means, to be honest. Are you saying you see judgment as determining the call regardless of the rule? I'm sorry, but that's a strawman. No one here would make that claim.

No I was trying to understand what "judgement" means to you.

I am trying to understand why based on the OP there should be any type of "judgment". There was no "held ball" according to the description on the rule.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

No I was trying to understand what "judgement" means to you.

I am trying to understand why based on the OP there should be any type of "judgment". There was no "held ball" according to the description on the rule.

Since we posted concurrently, I'll repost what is essentially an answer to your post here.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Anytime the defense touches the ball held by an airborne shooter who does not release before landing, you have to make a judgment. "Did the defender's touch prevent the release." Sometimes that judgment is easier than others. In the case of the OP, it seems to have been a pretty easy judgment in favor of a travel call.