Jump ball or Travel

Originally Posted by ILMalti

No BB is not a "Art than a Science "; there are absolutes

Okay

Originally Posted by ILMalti

One game a player is allowed to do "X" and in an other game they are not. The rules keep it all consitant.

If you say so... I believe the officiating team keeps it consistent though. Every game is different, the coaches should use that opportunity to teach their kids to deal with adversity as they will have to make adjustments in life. Yep life-lessons can be taught through Bball.

Originally Posted by ILMalti

I have been in a game which ended 100-2.

Did you score the 2 points

Originally Posted by ILMalti

All I am saying if we all understand the rules and apply them then we will all have a consitant call , and players, coaches etc will not complain.

HA!!!! As the players would say "are you serious!"

Originally Posted by ILMalti

"Over the back comes to mind" No such rule or call. But the minute coaches and players see someone who happens to be very tall put their head over a short player ... the calls start and some refs call it.....

I detest that as well

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Understanding the rules is not easy, and I am not saying I know them. All I am saying is if we apply the rules consistantly with out our "ART" side the game will be consistant. We are not there to judge the game but to make sure the rules are followed.

No disrespect, but I'm going to leave you with this because it's obvious that you are either new to the craft or don't work a high level of ball, yet.

Any idiot can read a rule book, pass the test & run up and down the court blowing their whistle, agreed?
We even have some that don't own a book, but sits in the stands & makes all the calls, by rule... their misconception of the rule that is. But that's another story...

In addition to great PLAY CALLING ability, COMMUNICATION SKILLS, FITNESS, PERSONAL QUALITIES & ON/OFF-COURT PRESENSE,
GAME MANAGEMENT skills are a must to be successful!! Lead officials with the R & Crew Chief mentality knows that managing players/coaches emotions, knowing the time, score, etc, offensive/defensive schemes & game situation (who's trying to do what) is key... U1s & U2s are, well, just U1s & U2s
The game within the game!!

Let me stop, I should be charging you for this information
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[Adam]

Ch1town, he's really caught up on the word "judge." I've got no idea why, but that seems to be his main issue.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ch1town, he's really caught up on the word "judge." I've got no idea why, but that seems to be his main issue.

I see, he judges even when he thinks he's not

Originally Posted by ILMalti

1) player in air with ball, any rule broken : NO << J'ment
2) Is player passing, trying holding : OP ays none << J'ment
3) defense comes from behind
4) Any illegal contact : NO << J'ment
5) Defense touches ball
6) Held ball rule applies : NO << J'ment
7) offense goes to floor with held ball
8) Rule 4.44 applies; travel whistle << J'ment

so no judgment in my mind.

Making a judgment doesn't always, absolutely, automatically require a whistle.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Okay


No disrespect, but I'm going to leave you with this because it's obvious that you are either new to the craft or don't work a high level of ball, yet.

None taken. You are right. I can only learn from experienced fellows

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Any idiot can read a rule book, pass the test & run up and down the court blowing their whistle, agreed?.

I am only in favour of understanding and applying the rules as the BB elders want it to be done. My confusion perhaps is understanding judgement call that override a rule.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

We even have some that don't own a book, but sits in the stands & makes all the calls, by rule... their misconception of the rule that is. But that's another story...

Agreed

Originally Posted by Ch1town

In addition to great PLAY CALLING ability, COMMUNICATION SKILLS, FITNESS, PERSONAL QUALITIES & ON/OFF-COURT PRESENSE,
GAME MANAGEMENT skills are a must to be successful!! Lead officials with the R & Crew Chief mentality knows that managing players/coaches emotions, knowing the time, score, etc, offensive/defensive schemes & game situation (who's trying to do what) is key... U1s & U2s are, well, just U1s & U2s
The game within the game!!

Let me stop, I should be charging you for this information
Do you have a PayPal account?

Totally agree;

Thank you

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Let me stop, I should be charging you for this information
Do you have a PayPal account?

Originally Posted by ILMalti

You are right.

Totally agree

Thank you

Not a problem, I PM'd you the fee & where to send it.
Thank YOU!

[Johnny Ringo]

Wow. Did not expect this reaction.

In my opinion, the touch and it was slight touch - not even a slap - did not prevent the shotter from shooting. He simply just returned to the floor holding the ball in a shooting position.

I too, used my judgement and called a travel. My partner said this had to be a jump ball ... I was trying to see if I can find a rule that supported my call.

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I was trying to see if I can find a rule that supported my call.

Sometimes we have to go to Rule 11 when all else fails...