Another one for newbies

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Always one more than whatever you have.

This reminds me of my seventh grade math teacher, Mr. Fiore. He had a classmate stand about six feet away from a wall, and instructed him to take one step, at half the distance to the wall, toward the wall. He then instructed him to take another step, at half the distance of the first step, toward the wall, and to continue this procedure until he reached the wall. That was back in 1966, and my classmate may still be there.

[Indianaref]

Do not count the basket. Ball was not released in time. However, since he started his motion, we will shoot foul shots with the lane cleared.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Do not count the basket. Ball was not released in time. However, since he started his motion, we will shoot foul shots with the lane cleared.

Mark Padgett: I don't consider 301 posts to be a newbie, but it's your thread, and you're providing the prize.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Mark Padgett: I don't consider 301 posts to be a newbie, but it's your thread, and you're providing the prize.

But, 300 of the posts were awful.

[181174]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Do not count the basket. Ball was not released in time. However, since he started his motion, we will shoot foul shots with the lane cleared.

Yes, this is the correct call. Just not the popular call with the coach, since he/she will not understand how you can wave off a basket but still give the shooter 2 shots for being in the act of shooting. I have made this call probably at least 10 times over the years and I have yet to have a coach understand how this could be. Not a popular call but the correct call. If fouled in the act of shooting but without releasing the ball before the horn goes off, you can't count the basket but have to give the offensive player 2 shots with the lane cleared to end the quarter or half in this instance.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 181174

Yes, this is the correct call. Just not the popular call with the coach, since he/she will not understand how you can wave off a basket but still give the shooter 2 shots for being in the act of shooting. I have made this call probably at least 10 times over the years and I have yet to have a coach understand how this could be. Not a popular call but the correct call. If fouled in the act of shooting but without releasing the ball before the horn goes off, you can't count the basket but have to give the offensive player 2 shots with the lane cleared to end the quarter or half in this instance.

There is an exception to this. The rule says it doesn't count if it's not released before time expires. It does not say it doesn't count if it's not released before the horn sounds.

[181174]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There is an exception to this. The rule says it doesn't count if it's not released before time expires. It does not say it doesn't count if it's not released before the horn sounds.

You are right, I should have worded that better. Though if the horn goes off when the clock says 0.00 then I look at that as being the same thing. You are right though, we as officials have to know if the ball was released or still in the hand when the clock went to 0.00, we don't have the red light on the backboard at most schools I work here in Indiana so we do have to know by the clock not the horn or backboard light. Good point! my point is it's a hard call to explain to a coach if you are waving off the basket but still giving 2 shots for the foul, though if the shot is still in the hand when the clock reads 0.00 then that is the correct call.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by 181174

You are right, I should have worded that better. Though if the horn goes off when the clock says 0.00 then I look at that as being the same thing. You are right though, we as officials have to know if the ball was released or still in the hand when the clock went to 0.00, we don't have the red light on the backboard at most schools I work here in Indiana so we do have to know by the clock not the horn or backboard light. Good point! my point is it's a hard call to explain to a coach if you are waving off the basket but still giving 2 shots for the foul, though if the shot is still in the hand when the clock reads 0.00 then that is the correct call.

Going to my earlier point though -- how can the clock expire if you blow your whistle before the clock expires? Sure the horn can sound but if you or your partners have knowledge of the clock, there has got to be some time left. Even if its .3 seconds.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

Going to my earlier point though -- how can the clock expire if you blow your whistle before the clock expires? Sure the horn can sound but if you or your partners have knowledge of the clock, there has got to be some time left. Even if its .3 seconds.

This is the key. Definite knowledge is not simply knowing that the horn went off after the whistle, but rather exactly what the clock read when the whistle was blown, or what the time was when the official looked at it. It is not: "I'm definitely sure the horn went off after the whistle, so we need to put something back on the clock."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This reminds me of my seventh grade math teacher, Mr. Fiore. He had a classmate stand about six feet away from a wall, and instructed him to take one step, at half the distance to the wall, toward the wall. He then instructed him to take another step, at half the distance of the first step, toward the wall, and to continue this procedure until he reached the wall. That was back in 1966, and my classmate may still be there.

Thank you, Zeno.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Thank you, Zeno.

.... pair of docs.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Thank you, Zeno.

You mean Zeno, the Warrior Princess?

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[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You mean Zeno, the Warrior Princess?

No, nor do I mean Zeno the Stoic. I mean Zeno of Elea, of course.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, nor do I mean Zeno the Stoic. I mean Zeno of Elea, of course.

Of course. How foolish of me to ask.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, nor do I mean Zeno the Stoic. I mean Zeno of Elea, of course.

I thought you meant this Zeno.