Another one for newbies

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

NF rules. A1 begins his shooting motion. B1 fouls him on the arm. Before A1 can release the shot, the horn sounds ending the second period. A1 continues his motion and the shot goes in. Team A is not in the bonus. What's your call?

Which side of the international date line are we on?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This reminds me of my seventh grade math teacher, Mr. Fiore. He had a classmate stand about six feet away from a wall, and instructed him to take one step, at half the distance to the wall, toward the wall. He then instructed him to take another step, at half the distance of the first step, toward the wall, and to continue this procedure until he reached the wall. That was back in 1966, and my classmate may still be there.

Thank you, Zeno.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Thank you, Zeno.

.... pair of docs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

Basket is good, shooting one free throw with the lane cleared. (4-41-1)

Originally Posted by LocDog249

How can you count the basket when the ball is in the players hand when the horn goes off?

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

Haha was just taking a wild guess assuming it was a trick question :-P

The language in 4-41-1 implies that the continuous motion does not end until the ball is in flight...

And if B1 impeded A1's ability to get the shot off in time (and A1 had begun their habitual motion).

Additionally, the clock theoretically stops at the whistle and thus there is time left on the clock when the whistle blows on contact before the horn. Depending on HOW much time was left on the clock when the shot was fired and if the official had definite knowledge of how much time was left. If so, time back on the clock (and no cleared lane...)

Locdog is close. With the removal of lag time, the answer to the question is, "It depends."

It depends if one of the officials looked at the clock after the whistle and saw any time on it.

If none of the officials see any time on the clock, then time has expired for the quarter and the basket cannot count. No basket, two free throws with the lane empty since time has expired.

If an official saw time, and the decision is made to put time back on the clock, then time has not expired, therefore the basket would count and one free throw with the lane occupied since there is time left.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This reminds me of my seventh grade math teacher, Mr. Fiore. That was back in 1966, and my classmate may still be there.

In 1966, you were in 7th grade? Why, you're just a child. In Sept. 1966, I was starting my sophomore class - in college! Of course, I was only 17 - not kidding.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Which side of the international date line are we on?

North.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

In 1966, you were in 7th grade? Why, you're just a child.

I never told you how many times I was in seventh grade, or first grade, or third grade, or fourth grade, for that matter. The third year of kindergarten was the best. We switched from regular milk, to chocolate milk.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Thank you, Zeno.

You mean Zeno, the Warrior Princess?

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[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You mean Zeno, the Warrior Princess?

No, nor do I mean Zeno the Stoic. I mean Zeno of Elea, of course.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, nor do I mean Zeno the Stoic. I mean Zeno of Elea, of course.

Of course. How foolish of me to ask.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, nor do I mean Zeno the Stoic. I mean Zeno of Elea, of course.

I thought you meant this Zeno.

[LocDog249]

This is my favorite Zeno of all

RoboKind ZENO

[181174]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Do not count the basket. Ball was not released in time. However, since he started his motion, we will shoot foul shots with the lane cleared.

Yes, this is the correct call. Just not the popular call with the coach, since he/she will not understand how you can wave off a basket but still give the shooter 2 shots for being in the act of shooting. I have made this call probably at least 10 times over the years and I have yet to have a coach understand how this could be. Not a popular call but the correct call. If fouled in the act of shooting but without releasing the ball before the horn goes off, you can't count the basket but have to give the offensive player 2 shots with the lane cleared to end the quarter or half in this instance.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 181174

Yes, this is the correct call. Just not the popular call with the coach, since he/she will not understand how you can wave off a basket but still give the shooter 2 shots for being in the act of shooting. I have made this call probably at least 10 times over the years and I have yet to have a coach understand how this could be. Not a popular call but the correct call. If fouled in the act of shooting but without releasing the ball before the horn goes off, you can't count the basket but have to give the offensive player 2 shots with the lane cleared to end the quarter or half in this instance.

There is an exception to this. The rule says it doesn't count if it's not released before time expires. It does not say it doesn't count if it's not released before the horn sounds.

[181174]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There is an exception to this. The rule says it doesn't count if it's not released before time expires. It does not say it doesn't count if it's not released before the horn sounds.

You are right, I should have worded that better. Though if the horn goes off when the clock says 0.00 then I look at that as being the same thing. You are right though, we as officials have to know if the ball was released or still in the hand when the clock went to 0.00, we don't have the red light on the backboard at most schools I work here in Indiana so we do have to know by the clock not the horn or backboard light. Good point! my point is it's a hard call to explain to a coach if you are waving off the basket but still giving 2 shots for the foul, though if the shot is still in the hand when the clock reads 0.00 then that is the correct call.