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Mark Padgett Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:33am

Another one for newbies
 
NF rules. A1 begins his shooting motion. B1 fouls him on the arm. Before A1 can release the shot, the horn sounds ending the second period. A1 continues his motion and the shot goes in. Team A is not in the bonus. What's your call?

JugglingReferee Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:45am

No foul. I'm too worried about the principal of the defensive team's school launching a protest over my judgment.

just another ref Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:49am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 590376)
No foul. I'm too worried about the principal of the defensive team's school launching a protest over my judgment.

I'm starting a petition against you anyway, just to be on the safe side.

bradfordwilkins Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:59am

Basket is good, shooting one free throw with the lane cleared. (4-41-1)

LocDog249 Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 590380)
Basket is good, shooting one free throw with the lane cleared. (4-41-1)

How can you count the basket when the ball is in the players hand when the horn goes off?

BillyMac Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:15pm

What Did You Not Understand About "For Newbies" ???
 
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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 590380)
Basket is good, shooting one free throw with the lane cleared. (4-41-1)

bradfordwilkins: 169 posts and you consider yourself a newbie? At least you were wrong, and we'll get a chance for a real newbie to win a prize off the top shelf.

Mark Padgett: If we don't get a correct answer by the end of the afternoon, can I play? I've got my eye on that big, blue, teddy bear on the top shelf. Please?

Speaking of post numbers, how many posts does one need before one becomes an esteemed Forum member?

BillyMac Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:19pm

The Top Shelf Always Has The Best Prizes ...
 
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Originally Posted by LocDog249 (Post 590382)
How can you count the basket when the ball is in the players hand when the horn goes off?

Mark Padgett: LocDog249 has only 23 posts. I would consider him, or her, to be a newbie. Wouldn't you? But his, or her, answer is not complete. It's your thread, so it's your call. I say give him a prize from the bottom shelf, you know, one of those six inch stuffed animals, or one of those red plastic horms, or at least one of those six inch, black plastic, combs.

LocDog249 Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 590384)
Mark Padgett: LocDog249 has only 23 posts. I would consider him, or her, to be a newbie. Wouldn't you?

I figured it was for newbie refs, not newbies to the forum. If you want I can answer it..... but I figured I would let newbie refs take a crack at it.

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 590383)
Speaking of post numbers, how many posts does one need before one becomes an esteemed Forum member?

Always one more than whatever you have. :D

BillyMac Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:32pm

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BillyMac Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:38pm

A Lesson Learned For Life ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 590390)
Always one more than whatever you have.

This reminds me of my seventh grade math teacher, Mr. Fiore. He had a classmate stand about six feet away from a wall, and instructed him to take one step, at half the distance to the wall, toward the wall. He then instructed him to take another step, at half the distance of the first step, toward the wall, and to continue this procedure until he reached the wall. That was back in 1966, and my classmate may still be there.

Indianaref Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:53pm

Do not count the basket. Ball was not released in time. However, since he started his motion, we will shoot foul shots with the lane cleared.

bradfordwilkins Sun Mar 22, 2009 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by LocDog249 (Post 590382)
How can you count the basket when the ball is in the players hand when the horn goes off?

Haha was just taking a wild guess assuming it was a trick question :-P

The language in 4-41-1 implies that the continuous motion does not end until the ball is in flight...

And if B1 impeded A1's ability to get the shot off in time (and A1 had begun their habitual motion).

Additionally, the clock theoretically stops at the whistle and thus there is time left on the clock when the whistle blows on contact before the horn. Depending on HOW much time was left on the clock when the shot was fired and if the official had definite knowledge of how much time was left. If so, time back on the clock (and no cleared lane...)

BillyMac Sun Mar 22, 2009 01:41pm

What Do You Not Understand About the Word "Newbie" ???
 
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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 590397)
Do not count the basket. Ball was not released in time. However, since he started his motion, we will shoot foul shots with the lane cleared.

Mark Padgett: I don't consider 301 posts to be a newbie, but it's your thread, and you're providing the prize.

Indianaref Sun Mar 22, 2009 02:13pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 590414)
Mark Padgett: I don't consider 301 posts to be a newbie, but it's your thread, and you're providing the prize.

But, 300 of the posts were awful.


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