So, how'd you like a game to start like THIS?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why would you state that there is no one to penalize?

Either team can be penalized with a team technical foul for delaying the start of either half by a full minute.

If the followers of one team are clearly the guilty party, then that is the proper team to penalize.

WHACK!

While I understand your logic, I'm not sure it can be fully supported by rule. In Rich's scenario, it was clearly one of the last players introduced. However, (I'm assuming) the team was on the floor, ready to play; it's just that the custodians were holding the game up trying to clean the floor. So, it is more similar to the scenario of holding up play while wiping up spilled water after a TO. I know the warning for delay clearly states it is to be recorded after a TO, and this is the start of the game. But I would think putting the warning for delay in the book is the better route to go. This way, ANY delay from here on out by the same team will result in the T.

[Jimmie24]

You can whack still. Put it on the bench. He isn't a player yet. Still bench personnel. Unsporting could be an option. He is bringing the attention to himself.

Last resort, complain to espn or someone and they will fine him for pregame celebration, similar to the super bowl and post touchdown celebration.

[Mark Padgett]

But did any of the players do the crab walk?

[just another ref]

I don't see that this meets the requirements for the T or the delay warning. Somebody spell it out for me.

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't see that this meets the requirements for the T or the delay warning. Somebody spell it out for me.

R-u-l-e 10 - 3 - 5 - a . . . . . d-e-l-a-y t-h-e g-a-m-e b-y p-r-e-v-e-n-t-i-n-g t-h-e b-a-l-l f-r-o-m b-e-i-n-g m-a-d-e l-i-v-e o-r f-r-o-m b-e-i-n-g p-u-t i-n p-l-a-y.


O-K ?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Old_School

R-u-l-e 10 - 3 - 6 - a . . . . . d-e-l-a-y t-h-e g-a-m-e b-y p-r-e-v-e-n-t-i-n-g t-h-e b-a-l-l f-r-o-m b-e-i-n-g m-a-d-e l-i-v-e o-r f-r-o-m b-e-i-n-g p-u-t i-n p-l-a-y.


O-K ?

Not O-K. The rule you quote is actually 10-1-5-b and the case book examples given are nothing like this.

[just another ref]

As far as a player drawing attention to himself, is this any different than the
strutting/high fives/chest bumping that goes on when the starting lineups are introduced?

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not O-K. The rule you quote is actually 10-1-5-b and the case book examples given are nothing like this.

If it will make you feel better, use 10-1-5-b. That language meets the requirements for a T in this situation also.

O-K ?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

While I understand your logic, I'm not sure it can be fully supported by rule. In Rich's scenario, it was clearly one of the last players introduced. However, (I'm assuming) the team was on the floor, ready to play; it's just that the custodians were holding the game up trying to clean the floor.

So whack the custodians.

But seriously: would they be delaying the game if not for the kid's antics? The kid clearly caused the cause of the delay, and thus caused the delay.

I'd lose no sleep over a T here.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbyron

So whack the custodians.

So, do the mops shoot the FT's? And which bucket do they shoot at?

Originally Posted by mbyron

But seriously: would they be delaying the game if not for the kid's antics? The kid clearly caused the cause of the delay, and thus caused the delay.

I'd lose no sleep over a T here.

Anyway, while I may not lose much sleep if you were to call the T, I would try to talk you out of it initially and try to talk you into a delay warning instead. How is it significantly different than delaying the game because they had to wipe up spilled water off the floor? Sure, you can say it took significantly longer to wipe up the powder, but I don't see any time limit in the delay provisions that say after a certain amount of time for cleanup, go directly to a T rather than giving the warning.

The advantage to the warning is now that team will get the T for any other delay for the rest of the game.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, do the mops shoot the FT's? And which bucket do they shoot at?


Anyway, while I may not lose much sleep if you were to call the T, I would try to talk you out of it initially and try to talk you into a delay warning instead. How is it significantly different than delaying the game because they had to wipe up spilled water off the floor? Sure, you can say it took significantly longer to wipe up the powder, but I don't see any time limit in the delay provisions that say after a certain amount of time for cleanup, go directly to a T rather than giving the warning.

The advantage to the warning is now that team will get the T for any other delay for the rest of the game.

The action did cause a delay - but not a minute or two to towel up some water - they actually had to move to a different court. Not the same thing IMHO. WHACK!!!! As stated before they did it to draw attention to themselves and get a "yay John" from the fans. It was unsporting.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

The action did cause a delay - but not a minute or two to towel up some water - they actually had to move to a different court. Not the same thing IMHO. WHACK!!!! As stated before they did it to draw attention to themselves and get a "yay John" from the fans. It was unsporting.

Alright, let me ask you this - let's say the floor has a new finish put on it, and there are specific instructions to keep water off the floor until it has finished curing. Then, during a TO, A1 spills some water on the floor that causes the finish to become sticky at that spot. It takes more than a minute or two to try and dry it up, but they figure it's safer to move the game to a different court. Is that also a T, instead of a warning? If so, is it Team Technical, or is it charged to the individual? Is it an indirect to the head coach?

I guess I'm only arguing the reason for the T. If you say the T is because the game was delayed excessively, I would argue against that because there is no time limit mentioned in the rules. If you want to give the T directly to the player for unsporting conduct, I would feel more comfortable with that solution.

[chartrusepengui]

my initial judgement was that the action was unsporting. But I would T in either case (delay or sporting) The last scenario you posted with new finish and water is not the same. One is accidental - the other was done on purpose - knowing there would need to be a clean up.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

my initial judgement was that the action was unsporting. But I would T in either case (delay or sporting) The last scenario you posted with new finish and water is not the same. One is accidental - the other was done on purpose - knowing there would need to be a clean up.

Do they spend time cleaning up after LeBron? Does LeBron's powder-clap delay the start of his games? If not, how can you say this player knew there would need to be a clean up? Had this player done it before and delayed the start of other games? Had he done it before without any issues? Or is this the first time he tried it?

Again, I don't have a big problem with an unsporting T charged directly to the player. But I still don't see how a T for delay can be charged, especially without a prior warning. Also, there's a difference between charging a team technical for delay, and charging an unsporting T directly to the player. The team T only gets added to the team foul count, while the unsporting T also gets charged to the player, and as an indirect to the head coach, since it happened before the game started.

[mutantducky]

ha. this story is funny. I'm going to tell the people I play ball with about it. I wonder if LeBron uses something different because that has to go on the court as well. Maybe one day the stat and tv people will sue him because they inhaled so much chalk or whatever it is he uses.