First horn white!

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Berkut

Why do we do this?

There is this incredibly loud horn, then we stand there and state the freaking obvious...that yes, that loud horn was in fact the first horn, so maybe pretty please could you break your huddle and come out and play basketball now?

Seriously - I feel like an idiot every time I do that. They know it was the first horn, so why do I have to tell them? They know that 15 seconds later there will be a second horn as well. If they cannot hear the very loud buzzing noise, then certainly they cannot hear me telling them there was just a very loud buzzing noise, right?

Of course, they aren't going to break their huddle until that second horn anyway, so why bother?

The answer: because someone thinks that we should get the game going faster, and rather than just having the balls to do what is necessary to accomplish that, we are going to *pretend* to do something about it, rather than *actually* do something about it.

If we really want the clock to start at that second horn, then we should be instructed to not tell them anything they already know, and simply place the ball in play after the second horn. Problem solved, if we did this every time.

Alternatively, if it isn't that important, then we should continue to tolerate the huddle breaking some number of seconds after the second horn, and the ball being put into play some number of seconds later.

In either case, I don't see the point in us standing there telling them something they already know.

Really? If they haven't broke the huddle by the second horn, the ball does go on the floor or to their opponent (within reason). The coaches are told in the pre-game captains meeting to get everyone onto the floor after the first horn because we will start on the second horn. After a time or two of the ball being made live after the second horn, they learn to break the huddle.

I don't like extended timeouts so we get them going immediately

-Josh

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Really? If they haven't broke the huddle by the second horn, the ball does go on the floor or to their opponent (within reason). The coaches are told in the pre-game captains meeting to get everyone onto the floor after the first horn because we will start on the second horn. After a time or two of the ball being made live after the second horn, they learn to break the huddle.

I don't like extended timeouts so we get them going immediately

-Josh

See, this is the key, and is pretty much my point.

If you do that, you don't need to stand there telling them that the really loud noise they just heard was the first horn.

If you are not willing to put the ball into play (and around here we are not) when the second horn sounds, then there isn't any point in going on about it being the first horn.

Either case, announcing the horn is silly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Berkut

See, this is the key, and is pretty much my point.

If you do that, you don't need to stand there telling them that the really loud noise they just heard was the first horn.

If you are not willing to put the ball into play (and around here we are not) when the second horn sounds, then there isn't any point in going on about it being the first horn.

Either case, announcing the horn is silly.

You are not announcing anything. You are there to hurry them up if need be.

Peace

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by Berkut

If you are not willing to put the ball into play (and around here we are not) when the second horn sounds, then there isn't any point in going on about it being the first horn.

Either case, announcing the horn is silly.

It's silly because your area doesn't enforce this rule. I agree...why have horns at all? Coaches and teams will let you know when they are ready to play...

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by pizanno

It's silly because your area doesn't enforce this rule. I agree...why have horns at all? Coaches and teams will let you know when they are ready to play...

It is silly whether you enforce the rule or not though.

If you do not, it doesn't matter, and if you do, it isn't necessary.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Berkut

It is silly whether you enforce the rule or not though.

If you do not, it doesn't matter, and if you do, it isn't necessary.

Then do not do it. I do not think anyone here cares (I almost forgot) what you do.

Peace

[mick]

I can remember huddles when the horn was not heard.
First horn is, for me, the best time to use the Assistant Coach.
I let him know and I leave.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Berkut

See, this is the key, and is pretty much my point.

If you do that, you don't need to stand there telling them that the really loud noise they just heard was the first horn.

If you are not willing to put the ball into play (and around here we are not) when the second horn sounds, then there isn't any point in going on about it being the first horn.

Either case, announcing the horn is silly.

So 30 second timeouts are really 30-60 seconds long? 60 second timeouts are really 60-180 seconds? hmm...Enforce the rules, resumption of play procedure (4-38, 7-5-1, etc)...Sounds like you have the authority to get the game going, use it!

Heck, I even use ROP procedures in non-high school games. Get it moving!

-Josh

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by jdmara

So 30 second timeouts are really 30-60 seconds long? 60 second timeouts are really 60-180 seconds? hmm...Enforce the rules, resumption of play procedure (4-38, 7-5-1, etc)...Sounds like you have the authority to get the game going, use it!

-Josh

Of course not - 30 second timeout are sometimes 40 seconds though, by the time everyone breaks the huddle at 30 and gets into position. 60 seconds are sometimes 70.

I *could* take it upon myself to place the ball on the floor at 30 and 60 exactly - but I would be the only one in the area doing so, and would likely result in not having any games rather quickly.

I agree that there is an easy solution to this - but my point is that the solution has nothing to do with announcing horns, which basically amounts to begging them to do what they should be doing anyway.

Around here, the prevailing attitude is that the teams ahve until the final horn to huddle - then they are expected to come out and play - NOT that they are expected to be ready to play at the second horn. Shrug.

I don't really mind, to be honest - a few seconds is no big deal to me, if that is how they want it enforced. I just find the announcing of the horn bit ridiculous. It accomplishes nothing.